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Monday, July 11, 2011

The Best of Bersih

In so far as Bersih is concerned, I am done lecturing on the concept of fundamental liberties and the rights of the people. I am done writing about the true concept of social contract and the duties of the State. Because, really, knock, knock, knock, and there’s nobody home.

So  today I am going to do what I have not done in the past, namely, I would post links to the websites which, I think, depict the best of Bersih. In fact, they depict the best of Malaysia, really (it proves that one does not have to engage a super high powered Jewish company and pay them millions to sell a concept such as 1Malaysia. Bersih proves that when there is a unity of purpose, the people will unite).

Let me begin with part of the lyrics of Guns & Roses’ song, "Civil War":

"What we've got here is failure to communicate.
Some men you just can't reach...
So, you get what we had here last week,
which is the way he wants it!
Well, he gets it!…

Look at the shoes your filling
Look at the blood we're spilling
Look at the world we're killing
The way we've always done before
Look in the doubt we've wallowed
Look at the leaders we've followed
Look at the lies we've swallowed
And I don't want to hear no more”

We have read so many accounts of the Bersih rally. The best among which, to me, are:

i) My Bersih 2.0 Experience, by Marina Mahathir (guess what, she was there. Eat your heart our Tun DrM!);

ii) Someone Did Win on July 9th, by one Charis Ding (she had ice cream with the FRUs!); and,

iii) BERSIH 2.0 - Was it worth it?, a note on Facebook by my facebook friend, one Abdul Haleem (telling us, among others, about  the true kindness of Malaysians, super cool policemen and FRUs who made fun of his disability).

The most endearing story is of course about Auntie Anne, the Lady of Liberty, a 65 year old lady who took a bus alone, and walked all the way from the General Hospital to the rally centre. She took the prize for the best quote as well:

“Why do we have to feel so scared (and threatened) in our own home land.. and by own countrymen?”

The most enduring pictures of the Bersih rally, which would still adorn the Malaysian museum of liberty 100 years from now are:

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The other one is this:

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Pak Samad Said, our National Laureate, has been tireless in his efforts for Bersih. On the 9th, this 76 year old walked and walked and walked, until he was stopped by the police near the Istana, where he had wanted to deliver the Bersih memorandum to His majesty the King. According to Pak Samad, His Royal Highness had said “can” when asked whether Bersih could deliver the memorandum on the 9th. Alas, it was not to be.

Pak Samad is however, Malaysia’s new hero.

One of the best video of the rally, to me, is this one:

The saddest incident which took place during the rally was of course the death of Allahyarham Burhanudin Ahmad, who succumbed after the police fired tear gas at the crowd he was in. I will not fault neither Bersih nor the police for his death. However his brother alleged that the police actually refused to take him to the hospital while he was lying breathless on the ground. A van only came about one and a half hours later, by which time it was too late. If that was true, then it is tragic that the police had acted in such  an inhumane way. I hope that’s not true.

Al-Fatihah to Allahyarham. May God bless his soul. But he died doing what he believed in. He died fulfilled.

Unfortunately, until the time of writing, there has been no utterance of condolence at all from any of our leaders in the government nor the people in the authorities, especially our police. All that was said is “do not blame the police for his death” and “the police was not responsible for his death” as well as “Bersih caused his death”.

Is it too difficult for us to put aside political differences for a while and be a normal human being? Can’t we in this our of sadness for his family at least pay our respect to him and express our condolence to his family for their loss?

The strangest things about the Bersih rally are:

i) Ibrahim Ali, the war general without any war to go to, was nowhere to be seen. There was a report saying about 20 Perkasa members were seen having coffee at Taman Titiwangsa. The Bersih rally proves, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that Perkasa is not what it is made out to be. It has no supporters. It has no specific agenda other than to vomit racist rhetoric and cause havoc for nothing.

ii)Despite being officially declared by the Right Honourable Prime Minister that the silat guys are the 3rd line of defence, no silat fellow was seen strutting his or her stuff during the rally. Someone with a wicked sense of humour twitted that the silat guys just arrived at Pasar Seni at 8pm after the rally. Lol!

iii)No communist, foreign provocateur or Christian with subversive intentions were arrested by the police. There was also no call to overthrow the government either by locals nor foreigners. And yes, the USA had not landed in the middle of Dataran Merdeka together with NATO in order to help the Malaysians to overthrow the government. Minister Rais is wrong, yet again (err…when has he ever been right? Hahah…)

iv) Who was it who said that traders and stall owners would lose a lot of money if the rally went on? Traders and stall owners were making roaring business.

Among the most ridiculous things which were said about and after the rally are:

i) most participants were Malays and these Malays were being used by DAP. Some newspaper said the Malays were being used by PAS. Make up your mind guys. Ibrahim Ali said the rally goers were paid. I have only one question to these guys. What are you smoking? Give me a quarter please.

ii) Ambiga had committed treason and her citizenship ought to be revoked. Ibrahim Ali said that. Need I say more?

iii) The Prime Minister said UMNO could muster 6000 people on short notice. Bersih could only gather 6000 people in 3 months. UMNO could flood KL with millions if it wanted to. Ho ho…try give a permit to Bersih Mr Prime Minister and let’s see how many will turn up. By the way, Patriot could only bring 500 people.

The real victor is of course the people of Malaysia. Despite our well known rudeness on the road (well, let’s just wait till the balik kampung event starts next month), Malaysians of all races, faiths and walk of life walked in unison, side by side for one purpose. They chatted. They laughed together. They smiled at each other. They helped each other. They were civil even towards the police and FRUs who admittedly were just doing their job (but with considerable enthusiasm lah). 

Speaking of being civil, whoever said that there would be a riot and destruction of property was proven, yet again, wrong. Not a single glass window broke. No car was smashed. No tong sampah was even overturned.

The one who were acting like hooligans were those people who were supposed to protect the civilians. Ambiga and gang were in the Brickfield underpass when they were stopped by a bunch of FRUs. Tian Chua went to them to negotiate. They responded by beating their shields. Tear gas were shot towards them. They retreated. Another bunch of FRUs came from behind and fired tear gas. They were trapped. Anwar and his bodyguard were injured (the bodyguard, badly). Khalid Samad was hit with a canister requiring 6 stitches.

What do you call that? No warning to disperse. No provocation by the group. And yet they were trapped between two groups of FRUs and fired with tear gas in an underpass. What do you call that? Sorry, in my book, that is criminal assault and battery. That is an attempt to injure. That is a crime.

Lastly, but surely not the least, the We-Have-Erection-Once-Every-5-Year award goes to…jeng jeng jeng…the IGP for saying that only 6000 people joined the rally.

I suggest the IGP changes his glasses and call a new tender for calculators soon.

65 comments:

patrickteoh said...

Art, thank you so much for sharing that with us. You are the man! Oh-oh, did you say IGP to call tender for new calculators. Oh no! RM709 each?

Sunny Tneoh said...

Police not required to pass Maths so it sokay

Anonymous said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCetbFLceFI

it is true im afraid, here's the proof, u can clearly see that the poor guy was having a seizure with his hands still cuffed behind his back while the police were just standing there, didnt offer any help whatsoever

Siti Kasim said...

Art... another masterpiece from you.. and guess what... the girl in the video who shouted "you hurt your own citizens"... that's my daughter.. :)

Anonymous said...

Art,

Our so called leaders of the ruling BN government were nowhere to be seen on July 9th. The top honcho fled to Kuala Trengganu to give out prizes to some BN assemblymen wives playing recreational games with the irrelevant misinformation minister tagging along. The de-facto prime minister cum home minister stayed at home sipping his heineken laced teh tarik while the deputy prime minister was incommunicado. The IGP was of course trying to count the number of Bersih marchers using the fingers on his hands before realizing he had to start all over again when he reached ten.

Immediately after the Bersih rally ended at 4.00pm, the above worms crawled out of the woodwork with all sorts of allegations demonizing the 50,000 thousand united Malaysians praising the police and FRU for launching tear gas canisters and firing water canons at the Bersih marchers and into the compounds of Tung Shin hospital. There would not have been any loss of live or injuries to Bersih supporters had the brainless de-facto prime minister cum home minister stayed away from his heineken laced teh tarik and allowed the Bersih rally to take place in merdeka stadium.

Whatever the government will now say and parroted by Utusan/Ibrahim Ali about the Bersih rally will not have any more bearing. The world saw what happened on July 9th.

Anonymous said...

What do you NO COMMUNISTS?

Isn't KJ's PATRIOT gangs in RED SHIRTS the REAL COMMUNISTS in their own ANTI-BERSIH rally?

Most people must have forgot that UMNO youth had an exchange program with China's Communist Party couple of years ago

10ajsarawak said...

Thanks dear Art,

Someone send me this link, it make true sense, as a young, civic minded, duty Malaysian, worth seeing it.

If You Are A Malaysian, PLEASE Watch This Video.mp4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kt224G3c6WE&feature=feedlik

Saya Anak Bangsa Malaysia

ktkhoo said...

IGP failed his maths in his school days !! He does not know that a zero in front of a decimal point makes a lot of difference. Ha ha yet our government promoted him to be the top cop in the country ! Guess why? So that he is easily a tame lap dog to the authorities.

Wake UP! said...

Salam Bro. True. It's a bit paradoxical when Patriot was donning T-Shirts with the colour of the communist?

Karen Tho said...

Thanks for sharing. They are truly the best of Bersih's journals.

Anonymous said...

Art,
Euphoria aside, methinks the next GE may well see some really dirty tricks employed to retain power.

EC will certainly not change. The two yahoos on top are still the top two yahoos for a long time. The top yahoos in judiciary is also them. The top cops, the to Legal man.

So what else is there?

As long as there are people who remain blind to the manipulation of this corrupt government, it will continue to be propped.

These are not the corrupted people, just not duly inform and can't see anyone other than Umno's as Menteri.

I do fear for the future.

Anonymous said...

I was at one of his 'NGO meet the PM' on Saturday and he proudly annnounce that Bersih had fail with very few people attended. When I open the website, Masyaallah ten thousand of people marching.

This show PM is out of touch with reality and depend on yes man and punahsihat/con-sultan which only saying sweet things to hear .

Onother thing those NGO attended are all asskisser which throw him all kind of praise.

Wake up Najib! You are not in la la land

ketuanan rakyat said...

Dear Art,

i'm still listening, and do care, for the rights of the people. so please don't stop knocking, if one listener makes a difference.

Anonymous said...

Salam Art,
I hope you can also add this

http://www.bakrimusa.com/archives/malaysians-passed-the-test-brilliantly


brubaker

LAT said...

In another 30 years down the road , i trully hope to see you replacing Pak Samad in Bersih 7 ! Long Live Pak Harun !

Anonymous said...

There is for each man, perfect self-expression. There is a place which he is to fill,some things he is to do,it is his destiny. Besih is our destiny!

Anonymous said...

Nice :)

Rabiyatul88 said...

"We-Have-Erection-Once-Every-5-Year award" this got me LOLing so hard!!

nice article... i just wish more youngsters my age will take interest in what goes on in our country.. instead of drowning in manga's and dramas and games and what not..

donplaypuks said...

"I suggest the IGP changes his glasses and call a new tender for calculators soon."

Ayoyo, Bro Art please withdraw this suggestion forthwith.

Otw, Rosemajib will soon flash a $1 billion direct-nego contract for 1Malaysia rose(mah) tinted glasses and (mis)calculators to another $2 company with expertise in making roti jala! Lol!

dpp
we are all of 1 Race, the Human Race

donplaypuks said...

Bro btw,

Did you notice the beefy guys who surrounded KJ and UMNO Youth in the March of the Red 500?

Geeze, where did KJ parachute in these testosterone dripping bulls from? A little bird told me they were Indons? Any rumour to the truth?

Except of course that wannabe Bumiputra and roti canai peddler Reezal!

dpp
we are all of 1 Race, the Human race

S H E N G S A W said...

uncle art, i've posted this video to your wall. anyhow, i'd post it again in here, so your fan can watch it. is about Allahyarham Burhanudin Ahmad's dead. May he rest in peace. Al-Fatihah.

i believe everyone eye are crystal clear on this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCetbFLceFI&feature=player_embedded

Anonymous said...

Might i suggest this link as well:

https://www.facebook.com/notes/esther-goh/tanah-tumpahnya-darahku/10150251919534217

Anonymous said...

Main criteria to be the Malaysian Police Chief (IGP) ... Dumb and Dumber!!!

Hollywood has no rights to this terminology as it rightfully belongs to the IGP of Malaysia!!!

Obviously Najib and his henchmen were too afraid to look into all the eyes of BERSIH rally participants 'cause they were pure genuine and honest Malaysians who wants nothing more than Peace and Harmony in their own homeland.

Long Live BERSIH movement!! Clean the country of all these corrupted and selfish UMNO politicians!

Anonymous said...

In no particular order, the worst of Bersih 2.0 compilation are:
1. "You ain't boroi, you're all my patrioitic brothers" by Keh Jay
2. "(You) don't tie a yellow ribbon anywhere oh please" by Inobrain & the Perkasans
3. "These tear gas cans are made for shooting" by Sam the Singh & the Firauns
4. "Walk right back this minute" by HH of the HMs
5. "Nowhere man" by Jibbi & his Other Half

clunky

Anonymous said...

the kleptocracy's worst nightmare: Malaysians, irrespective of race, religion and creed, coming together for a cause

Anonymous said...

in the video, the girl who yelled "you hurt your own citizens" to the polis.
that was really spontaneous and cool!!!
the people are moving to a whole new era...there is no turning back.

it may just be the straw that broke the camels back.

Anonymous said...

The moral of 709: the kleptocracy is losing, the rakyat is winning.

Ghiya said...

Salaam n good late evening everyone,

First, I'm kinda happy to see that Malaysians can become united when it matters most though what matters most is debatable. The way Bersih 2.0 portrayed their relentless march toward their objective confirmed Malaysians can actually achieve unity that dispels hatred and suspicion.

But, the reality is unity can't be acquired overnight. To say that for Bersih Malaysians of different race, who remain sceptical and prejudicial among each color, are genuinely united is an overstatement, and that each and every Bersih participant knows exactly that such movement about fighting for human right in our electoral system will lead to more movements for other human rights is rather unqualified.

The truth as regards unity is that Malaysians hardly are united, especially when they don't go to the same school together. I can't cheat my intellect that the fruits of our school system consisting of not all national schools taste unity. Neither can any of us. Can the new government regime challenge this status quo?

As for the statistics, we need a convincing fact as to the exact number of participants breakdown according to races, so that the genuineness of Malaysian unity demonstrated in Bersih is unquestionable and will not give us false hope in our quest for a united Malaysian people.

Havva good nite and tight sleep ya all (",)

Le Petit Lapin said...

Très bien articulé ... bravo!

BOGO said...

Dear Art,

I watched the videos over and over to find that one element that will prove the rally was politically motivated etc... however, I am amazed at what i saw.. people of Malaysia from all races, professions, religions, ages gathered together peacefully for a better Malaysia... I am proud to be a Malaysian. :-)

p.s- btw, I added you on fb, kindly add me ya.. :-)

Anonymous said...

I have always been apolitical. A really non-partisan type of guy. I have been observing the way this country goes and the interactions between the races and guess what...? The racial divide is just so huge now, the politics of hatred is at its max. In all honesty, Bersih rally and the way the police acted...has cemented this mutual hatred even further.
Malaysian are now so full of hatred. The PRs hated the BNs and the BNs hated the PRs. This country has got a system. So lets work within the system. Otherwise it will be chaos like what happened on July 9. It may not be perfect (no man-made system is perfect), but it has worked for all of us. Slowly but surely we can improve on it. You dont want this lovely country to be like Thailand. One day the red warriors stormed the city and the next day the yellow army flooded the airport...what the hell. And if we do not stop this politics of hatred, we are going down the drain the way Thailand has. The BN has won the last GE, so let them govern. The next time around, if PR win the election, lets give them a chance to proof that they can govern better. Can you imagine if PR take over the government and the opposition (The BNlah at that time) took to the street? It will never end. Stop distributing hatred. Please...
Anak Pak Deris.

wubi said...

Reply to Anak Pak Deris :

Hi . With all due respect , may I address some of the points you have brought up for clarification sake.

Anak Pak Deris, up to 2 years ago , I was also non-partisan. I had trusted the system and my stand was always that if the people have given a mandate to the BN government then they should rule , although I had not agreed with many of their policies, strategies and tactics used to govern the country.

But let me highlight the point : IF THE PEOPLE HAD GIVEN THEM THE MANDATE.

Unfortunately , this is not true. The only reason our current government is in power is because they have been subverting the system in their favor. Did the people give them the mandate the last GE? The answer is no. They did not. But through subversion of the GE system , they came through.

That is why BERSIH is so important. If you ask me , do I love PR ? No I do not. In my honest opinion, I think they have a long way to go. But the aim of BERSIH is about fair and clean elections and civil society. We need a system where a fair playing field can be established so that we, The Rakyat, can see a better Malaysia.

Also in my opinion, racial divide and politics of hate is a byproduct of the BN regime. That is what is causing the disharmony in the country. The stifling of the voices of the Rakyat is the problem, not citizens expressing their Constitutional rights.

If you were at BERSIH, you would have seen that Malaysians of all walks of life, in solidarity , walked for a better Malaysia.

This is the Malaysia that we all want in our hearts. So , it is time we do something about it.

Anonymous said...

Dear Wubi,
Thank you for your response.
That is why I said politics of hate is dangerous. It clouded our judgement. It blinded of our view.
I take your statement below as an example:
"Did the people give them the mandate the last GE? The answer is no. They did not. But through subversion of the GE system , they came through."
You see, we "judged" the current BN government as not the rightful government and their coming in into power was by way of "subversion"...what proof do you have? Hearsay? or Something you read in the internet and suddendly believe?
I see this happening so many times to so many people...when you ask them where they got the info from, they will say "I read it somewhere in the internet, so it must be true". Guys, we all know the internet is like a double-edge sword. Some of it is good, some are just bad and mere lies.
I read the internet all the time, but I always ask myself these questions before I beleive or pass it on to others, fearing that I would myself be dissimenating hatred and lies:
1. Was the statement substantiated with facts that can be verified? or mere "ideas" or speculations by the author? Some people can write so well and so convincingly, but all of his writing are based on his unsubstantiated info. So be careful.
2. If I dissiminate this info/news to others, would that do more damage or good?

Of course we have to be honest to ourselves when answering the questions. Just because we dont like a certain personality or party, does not mean all his words are rubbish. Seek first to understand, filter them with your values and good judgement and then decide. Never let others decide for you.
Anak Pak Deris
2.

f_mgh said...
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f_mgh said...

Dear wubi,

Even more developed electoral systems like in the UK, US and Eu member states do face electoral frauds stemming from postal votes, distance votes and the likes.

Did they take it to the street rally?

What they did was the pressure they put on the government to pass laws that ensure strict compliance and enforcement to prevent such frauds.

Street rally? Not over their dead bodies.

My wife and her colleagues/staff were damn worried that those road congestion caused by the street rally could hamper emergency treatment and eventually cost lives, as such occurrence have already happened even when congestion lasted less than an hour. Dr. Sunny Teoh surely hafta agree.

So, are we calling ourselves developed if we care more for our interest in a fair election - which I also do - without thinking about others beyond our expectation or limited reception of immediate information?

We are, or at least should be, better than that.

VersedAnggerik said...

I cried reading this piece. A mixture of pride, sadness, frustration and despair actually.

(one) charis ding said...

thank you for reading my piece, and thanks for putting it up here and elsewhere (:

my heart leapt when i saw it, because i'm a big fan of your writing. (:

Anonymous said...

In US or UK, i have seen police provide security to peaceful demonstrators and provide traffic guidance along rally route, so why cant we do that here???

The demo last week was peaceful. i dont understand why they need to fire tear gas when not provoked, not right way in riot management.In fact, there no riot situation!

f_mgh said...

Anon,

The demo you said you saw, was it to help the cause for fair election? Was it politically motivated?

The problem is bersih was, and the concern is the Malays are being further divided by such movements. Although you being a non-Malay may not care less, but a split in the majority race in our country can easily cause instability to our nation, which is what DSAI promised when he was caught in 1998/99.

We both love our country more than anyone else who are not Malaysians. So, with the same spirit we must also love our fellow citizens heedless of skin color. Letting any race in Malaysia to disintegrate is not testimony to the pure love toward each other we claim we have.

Anonymous said...

f_mgh,
101% agree with you. Thank you for the really thoughtful,unbiased world view of the whole situation. From your writing I guess you must have been travelling quite a bit yourself, so you know other country's shortcomings too. As the malay proverb says " Hujan emas negeri orang, hujan batu negeri sendiri, lagi baik negeri sendiri".
With all this street demo, if uncontrolled, could have escaleted into real trouble. Bak kata DYMM Agong, "Yang dikejar tak dapat, yang dikendong berciciran". Renungkanlah...

Anonymous said...

LTlie of mca : " NO lah where got one ?
thepolis carried the injured to the hospital & the anjing, oops angin blew the tear-smoke to the hospital, ok ?...ask me NO soalan & i tell you NO lie , ok ...tq ! "

Anonymous said...

f_mgh
It is true to say that all electoral systems in all countries do face electoral frauds. Except that they vary from minor to major frauds.
As you said, they pressured the govt. to ensure strict compliance. Can you enlighten us as to the ways to pressure our govt.? Pressure our 1Malaysia Judiciary, PDRM, EC etc.?
How would you remove the dictators of the Arab countries? Are you implying that there is also a split in those countries? Are you asking the people there to bear with what their govt. is doing? Nobody likes street rally. It is something that is forced onto them.
Perhaps Bersih may be politically motivated. But still its purpose is to ensure a fair election for all parties. So, what is wrong with Bersih?
Since someone mentioned that you may have been travelling quite a bit, I wonder whether you have been to US. If so, is there a split in the majority white people when Obama was elected President? Was there any instability in US?
BN usually claim that if you vote for PAS, the malays will be split. Now you are also echoing the same.
Perhaps you should realise that the intellectual malays, like you,
would like to exercise their own political rights to choose the party of their choice.
Voting for BN is Malay unity? Voting for PAS is Malaysian unity.

f_mgh said...

Anon said: It is true to say that all electoral systems in all countries do face electoral frauds. Except that they vary from minor to major frauds.
As you said, they pressured the govt. to ensure strict compliance. Can you enlighten us as to the ways to pressure our govt.? Pressure our 1Malaysia Judiciary, PDRM, EC etc.?

F_mgh: If you look at the electoral law in UK, it was passed a few years back. But, we've never heard of any street riots in the UK to call for a fair election. Or you've heard about it but ain't gonna share it with us?

As for the US, their lobby group in the Congress is very powerful that as if they'll get what they want.

Anon said: How would you remove the dictators of the Arab countries? Are you implying that there is also a split in those countries? Are you asking the people there to bear with what their govt. is doing? Nobody likes street rally. It is something that is forced onto them.

F_mgh: so, you couldn't care less Malaysia will end up like them. As for me, I love this country and the peace we're spared with because my ancestral lines have been here long enough to allow it to collapse or be invaded again, albeit in a different way.

Anon: Perhaps Bersih may be politically motivated. But still its purpose is to ensure a fair election for all parties. So, what is wrong with Bersih?

F_mgh: are you a machiavellian who supports "The end justifies the means?"

Anon: Since someone mentioned that you may have been travelling quite a bit, I wonder whether you have been to US. If so, is there a split in the majority white people when Obama was elected President? Was there any instability in US?

F_mgh: hello brother. The white people over there may be split into thousands. But, the power still lies with the Congress. E.g., tax laws are in the Congress' hand. I've nego with 'em before. Trade nego power is also conferred by the Congress. Got it?

Anon: BN usually claim that if you vote for PAS, the malays will be split. Now you are also echoing the same. Perhaps you should realise that the intellectual malays, like you,
would like to exercise their own political rights to choose the party of their choice. Voting for BN is Malay unity? Voting for PAS is Malaysian unity.

Anon: BN model is not perfect, but it's working along the laws and socio-economic needs of the country. True enuff, the cake is not tasted by everybody. Voting for Pas can contribute to the Malay unity, IF the majority of Malays accept Pas, but that's not the reality now. And allow me to correct you. Voting for BN means voting for candidates representing respective component parties of the coalition, not just Malays.

And will you excuse me, as I hafta perform my prayers and continue with my assginments tonight.

In all, I'm apolitical and not a member of any party. But, I really fall in love with this awek called Malaysia ever since I drew my first breath. Since the time of golden peninsular, this awek has been courted by so many. Just don't let her commit suicide, k.

Sea MunnKey said...

The BERSIH rally was a brutally attacked by the Malaysian police force. Did the police confiscate any weapons or were they provoke by the BERSIH demonstrators at all?

There's a whole bunch of posters here that lay claim that this BERSIH rally was a "timebomb waiting to explode" & all I see is that you're worried about the split in the Malay community and what about the non-Malay community who's always been oppressed and decades of hatred and prejudice!! And all you're concerned about is the splitsville of the Malay community??

What about the Malaysian Chinese, Malaysian Indians and other minority Malaysian citizens!!???

f_mgh said...

Sea Munnkey said: The BERSIH rally was a brutally attacked by the Malaysian police force. Did the police confiscate any weapons or were they provoke by the BERSIH demonstrators at all?

F_mgh: Please define brutally attacked. You see, from the very beginning, the enforcement teams were just doing their job, that was to maintain law and order as well as public order and safety. The bloody chaos that unfolded in the middle-east, coupled with the fact that bersih organisers flouting the prohibition to rally would cross the line, was a major concern to the country's law enforcers. What would linger in your mind were you in their shoes and had the fear of the middle-east trouble replicated in our country?

Sea Munnkey said: There's a whole bunch of posters here that lay claim that this BERSIH rally was a "timebomb waiting to explode" & all I see is that you're worried about the split in the Malay community and what about the non-Malay community who's always been oppressed and decades of hatred and prejudice!! And all you're concerned about is the splitsville of the Malay community?? What about the Malaysian Chinese, Malaysian Indians and other minority Malaysian citizens!!???

F_mgh: your argument is conceptually flawed. As regards unity, Chinese voters will never become fragmented come hell or high waters following the uprising. Recent by-elections have proven who they have voted and will continue so, while the effect on Indians are not too significant. And what oppression on the Chinese and Indians are you whining upon when 9 out of 10 Malaysia's richest are Chinese with one super-bllion Indian? Income per capitawise, Chinese has the most, followed by Indians then only Malays. So much for the oppression.

When I was having my dinner with wifey just now, came to us an Indian lady in distress. Left by her hubby, she had no money to feed herself and her 3 children. When I asked whether she'd eaten, she cried. This took place in Kajang where the main patron of bersih was supposed to be in charge.

You see, when we blame the ruling government for corruption, we failed to notice that politicians are not infallible, as they are bound to make mistakes. The way bersih screamed for a fair election, do our rational id reach a conclusion that the successor to the current regime will not repeat the same mistakes?

Anonymous said...

Just want to add this which I think deserve the merit http://malaysia-today.net/mtcolumns/letterssurat/42002-born-again-malaysian-totally-cleansed-bersih

0NE+ONE=1 said...

I always knew our crime statistics were no right all these years and I thought I knew the reason. I always thought the boys in blue did some cosmetic surgery to the statistic to improve their image. I was wrong, now I know it's a maths problem with out top man in blues who evidently have the last say in crime stats.

Q14 said...

the government making advertisement on major tv that made fun of BERSIH really showed no professionalism...

f_mgh said...

If the opposition politics of Anwar Ibrahim use Bersih as a vehicle for his parties’ ascendency then ultimately, the Malaysian people will lose.
- Written and Photographed by Nile Bowie.
http://nilebowie.blogspot.com/2011/07/malaysia-bersih-20-mass-demonstrations.html

George Soros is a hording Internationalist whose reputation clearly shows him to be no friend of the Malaysian people, the fact that Ambiga Sreenevasan has accepted funds from his Open Society Institute while claiming Bersih 2.0 to be “wholly funded by Malaysians” is simply not true and should raise more than an eyebrow.

George Soros has been an integral figure in the funding of opposition movements in the Arab Spring, only to pave the way to governance for opposition leaders such as Mohamed ElBaradei and other trustees of think tanks and other likeminded US based outlets that would be happy to exploit their own people in a bid to grab power; in total covert imperialism, Soros has further contributed funding to organisations attempting to author a new Egyptian constitution.

f_mgh said...

Mana tuan rumah ni?

art harun said...

f_mgh,

Tuan rumah bancuh kopi and prepare biskut. :)

It's nice to note that you have managed to maintain civility in your comments, although, you are opposed to the Bersih idea. That's okay with me. Because that is what it is all about, a diversity of opinions.

On police brutality, I think they were way over the top. There wasn't any need to whack the rally goers, kick them (even flying kick them!). Nobody was resisting arrest. Pinning them to the ground with the knee and pushing the face to the tarmac was also not necessary. I did not see any resistance at all from the arrested persons. The police would do better if they had enusred an orderly rally. But they chose not to.

Another point which puzzles me is the Malay becoming divided. Sorry. I don;t understand how this issue came about. How are the Malays divided by the Bersih rally? And what is its the significant to the Bersih issue? This one escapes me.

Anonymous said...

f_mgh,
art harun said that it is nice that you have managed civility in your comments. Were your previous comments very uncivilize?
You said we blame the ruling govt for corruption.... that the successor to the current regime will not repeat the same mistakes? Are you saying that we should bear with the current corrupted regime and not taking any chance with a replacement?
What, if your company CEO is corrupted? Would you retain him thinking that a new one would be equally corrupted? Base on your assumption, no wonder some of the GLCs are in financial difficulties.

f_mgh said...

Dear all, sori lambat reply. My  got prob to surf the net.

f_mgh said...
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f_mgh said...

Tuan rumah: bancuh kopi and prepare biskut. :)

Me: buat banyak sket hehe.. ni tuan rumah yang bagus. Lagi bagus kalau buat rumah terbuka dan kita sembang2 bertukar2 pendapat tanpa perlu susahkan oranglain. (",)

Tuan rumah: It's nice to note that you have managed to maintain civility in your comments, although, you are opposed to the Bersih idea. That's okay with me. Because that is what it is all about, a diversity of opinions.

Me: that's the spirit. The fact that clashes of ideas lead to the best idea is shared between us. Wise men think alike. To make it clear, I've no problem with the cause for free and fair election, but I strongly reject street rally. Like I said earlier, there are other ways to address the issue.

Tuan rumah: On police brutality, I think they were way over the top. There wasn't any need to whack the rally goers, kick them (even flying kick them!). Nobody was resisting arrest. Pinning them to the ground with the knee and pushing the face to the tarmac was also not necessary. I did not see any resistance at all from the arrested persons. The police would do better if they had enusred an orderly rally. But they chose not to.

Me: I agree that the police should put some restraints on the use of force. But I really don't know what's at the back of their mind. First, there's the instruction to block the protesters from entering the targeted area. Then, there's this concern the middle east uprising would replicate in our country. The issue then will no longer be who's going to form the next government, but whether our people will end in bloodbath and shooting sprees like our fellow earthlings in the middle east. It's possible that a few policemen had gone overboard. But, it takes two to tango. So, such things wouldn't have happened had the rally not taken place, to begin with.

Tuan rumah: Another point which puzzles me is the Malay becoming divided. Sorry. I don;t understand how this issue came about. How are the Malays divided by the Bersih rally? And what is its the significant to the Bersih issue? This one escapes me.


Me: I always choose to think a few steps ahead and in different angles of vantage point. In the last election, we saw the votes for the major Malay party dwindled following certain issues that were taken to the street. Now that bersih already happened, more similar moves to take place again in the future will further split Malay votes. I don't mind if the majority of Malays support other parties, Pas for instance, because it's all about unity. The split amongst the Malays is not only bad for the Malays but for the entire Malaysian people. It's mind-boggling to learn that some other vote one single party although they look politically different on the surface.

We are still a young nation. There's no quick-fix for certain constitutional issues like this. Tackling it using a less civilised way - developed countries didn't address electoral frauds through street rally - will only add salt to injuries.

Reality Check said...

Dear f_mgh, I second Tuan Rumah punya cakap - "Another point which puzzles me is the Malay becoming divided. Sorry. I don;t understand how this issue came about. How are the Malays divided by the Bersih rally? And what is its the significant to the Bersih issue? This one escapes me."

Your explanation is not answering the question.

Reality Check said...

Dear f_mgh, I've a problem with your explanation. So let us break it down so that I can insert what I think you are trying to say here.

f_mgh: I don't mind if the majority of Malays support other parties, Pas for instance, because it's all about unity.

RC: Are you saying that you understand if more Malays swing to other parties because the same voters want to unite with the Malays who are already supporting the same other parties?

f_mgh: The split amongst the Malays is not only bad for the Malays but for the entire Malaysian people.

RC: Are you saying that all Malays should support only one party that is UMNO?

f_mgh: It's mind-boggling to learn that some other vote one single party although they look politically different on the surface.

RC: Are you saying that UMNO & PAS have the same mission & objectives but look different in appearance only?

Please clarify for your explanations boggles the mind ya. Thank you.

art harun said...

f_mgh,

Rumah terbuka? Anytime. Kalau ada masa, kita boleh duduk2 minum kopi. E mel saya kalau free. Kat Bangsar tu ok gak.

I am actually thinking of putting my thoughts on Malay Unity. Thanks for bringing it up. God willing, tengok lah, kalau ada masa.

But in the meantime, I wonder why after 54 years of Merdeka, we are still talking about a parochial micro unity rather than the national or what I would call transcendental unity?

Differences in opinions and political leanings are first of all the mark of a vibrnat society/race. The mere fact that both of us have different political ideologies, (speaking hypothetically of course), do not mean we are disunited.

Disunity is everywhere. We wear different clothes, drive different cars, eat different food, but what is important is we would rise for ONE purpose, ie for the country.

Take the crusade for example. When Pope Urban called for a crusade, the whole Christiandom was in a state of "disunity". They were divided into different states, each selfishly trying to conquer the other for survival.

But that did not stop the whole European Christian world from uniting and pursuing a specific uni-purpose.

I think on the face of it, there is a misunderstanding of the concepts of unity (and also consequently, disunity) on one hand and the call for subscription to only one mindset, which is to me, rather, monolithic in terms of approach.

Diversity is not disunity and at the same time,subscription to one mindset also does not mean unity.

On police brutality, I will let the pictures, videos and numerous accounts speak for themselves.

Even my policeman friend had confessed that he was appaled at the police's action. FYI, this friend of mine used the word "brutality" while I was the one who was trying to persuade him to use the term "high-handedness."

Peace.

Anonymous said...

f_mgh,
No respond to Reality check and art harun? Got prob to surf the net again?

f_mgh said...
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art harun said...

Dear f-mgh,

Sorry to hear about your service reception problems. I used to have them while I was using that stupid Maxis wireless boradband. I blogged about it once or twice and finally I just dumped it.

Now I am using P1 and so far so good.

I tell you what, I am all for rational discourse. Allow me sometime to put my thoughts into writing on the unity issue. I will publish it.

Perhaps you could then e mail me your perpspective and I will gladly publish it.

Have a good day.

Anonymous said...

f_mgh,
It is nice to read your comments which offer differences in opinions and political leanings.
However, when you have no problem surfing the net, numerous of you postings had been removed by the author.
What have you posted? You fail to maintain civility in your comments again?

Anonymous said...

The problem is that the Malays (I am one too) are never thankful for what they got. We receive govt loans, grants, scholarships, cheaper houses and still we are not happy and bersyukur. I bet you most of those who went to protest are receiving these benefits too. An yet, they protest. It is like your parents lovingly fed and take care of you, an when you grow up, you abandon them. There is a Malay word for it "Derhaka". I am so sorry, but I for one, am very thankful for what I got. If you do not like the present govt, then, do not take any of these privileges given to you. Buy your houses at non Bumiputera prices. The non Malays have to take up loan to send their kids to universities, and we Malays with much lower grades are give free places in the institution. I know of some Malay families who asked for govt scholarships and yet go 2 to 3 times to Mecca. This money could be better speent on their children's education. But of course, since we are priveleged, who cares? right? So, all you Malays out there, think about that. It is true, there is corruption in the present govt, that must be cleaned up. But, lets do it the correct way, go to the voting booth and elect your govt. Do not let Malaysia becoming like Egypt, Sri Lanka, Tunisia. Our country is a great country. I heard once someone said, in most countries people die of hunger, we Malaysians die of overeating. Look at the world poverty map, we belong to one of the prosperous nation. Our GDP is the top 20 worldwide. Do you really want to change that? In any demonstration, there is a lot of emotions involved, with mass people things can go wrong. I am so sorry to learn of the death of one demonstrator. But if this goes on, worse incidents can happen. And there will be no winners, only losers. In the 60s, Lee Kuan Yew said, he hoped that Singapore will be the next Ceylon. Look at what Sri Lanka is today, wrecked by civil war and one of the poorest country in the world. Do you want that to happen to our beloved country?

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