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Friday, August 12, 2011

JAIS missing the point

JAIS issued a statement yesterday concerning the so-called “raid” on Damansara Utama Methodist Church’s Dream Centre in Petaling Jaya on 3rd August 2011.

In its statement, JAIS clarified that it was not a raid as reported. Nor was there any force used during the walk about by JAIS in the Church’s premises. In its own word, it was just an “inspection”. Kinda like what PUSPAKON (sic) is doing on all vehicles which are sold second hand.

It could then be gathered from JAIS’ statement that it was a friendly thingy. You know, the kind of visit by strangers to our house unannounced just after we have dinner with some guests where our guests were questioned why they were in our house; what did we, as hosts, say before, during and after dinner; did we, as hosts, try to proselytise (did I get the spelling correct? Sorry, I have to confirm this because before the raid, I never knew this word existed, let alone know its meaning) them yada yada yada.

JAIS director, Encik Marzuki Hussin said, among others:

  1. Jais officers did not interrupt the event and only inspected the venue after the dinner had ended.
  2. Accusations that Jais raided, used force and trespassed are wild accusations.
  3. The 12 Muslims who had attended the event were only asked to provide their details and directed to attend counselling sessions.

I find this really amazing, really.

Our Honourable Prime Minister flew all the way to the Vatican to meet the Pope; shook his hand; gave the Pope a book and established a diplomatic relationship with the Vatican. Then he came back to Kuala Lumpur cutting short his family holiday because he would rather be with us, the people.

And what did some little Caliphs, defenders of the faith do? Yes. Together with the police, they “inspected” a private dinner hosted, not by the church, but by an AIDS organisation to say thank you for all the hard works and efforts put into the organisations by some people.

The point is not whether it was a raid or inspection, JAIS. Nor was it whether you entered before, during or after the dinner. Nor also whether there was any interruption. Nor whether you all were as nice as cupcakes. That is NOT the point.

The point is you had the nerve to gate-crash a private dinner on the pretext of investigating a report the details of which you were unable to give when requested. And please tell me under what authority and for what reason are the 12 Muslim guests were asked to attend counselling session with you.

What counselling? Counselling for what? For having dinner with some Christians? Judging from your rationale, the Prime Minister and his whole entourage to the Vatican might have to attend counselling to ya? Sometime ago I attended a funeral of the son of a dear friend of mine in a church. I stood up when they were singing hymns and sat in silence when prayers were being said. Do I have to be counselled too?

This is the kind of thing which is making Malaysia a laughing capital of the world nowadays. Some years ago I remember, there was a text message sent out by none other a mufti alleging that a number of kids were about to be proselytised (is my spelling correct?) at a church. It caused an uproar. But of course the good mufti was not hauled up for anything although recently a certain Penang lady was hauled up by the police for allegedly urging Christians to walk for whatever reason.

The thing which I would like to ask is this. Is there any necessity at all to do this kind of thing?

Muslims in Malaysia seem to be very weak indeed. We cannot listen to certain music group. Cannot watch MTV. Cannot go to concerts, even to concerts by the completely fagotty Michael Learns to Rock, for God’s sake!!! These guys rhymes the word “car” with “star” for God’s sake! Cannot watch certain films. Cannot tahan seeing women’s ketiak in public. Cannot tahan seeing non-Muslims eating or drinking during puasa month.

We need to be protected all the time. Otherwise our aqidah would be gone. And we would become kafir. And of course we would then all go to hell.

One question struck me. If Muslims in Malaysia are so easily persuaded to leave Islam, there must be something wrong with the state of Islam in Malaysia, isn’t it? I mean, why would the Muslims in Malaysia so easily persuaded to do so then? Perhaps then, JAIS and the all the mullahs should look into this aspect rather than blaming everything on other faiths.

A word of advise to JAIS. We are a multi-cultural-faiths society. We need to be respectful to others. It doesn’t matter whether Islam is the official religion of the country or whether it is the faith of the majority of the people in our country.

Islam teaches us moderation. And Islam teaches us to be respectful of others.

Now,  article 11 of the Federal Constitution does guarantee freedom of religion to every person in Malaysia (even though that person is not a citizen of Malaysia). Admittedly, paragraph 4 of the said article also permits laws to be made to “control or restrict the propagation of any religious doctrine or belief among persons professing the religion of Islam.”

I do not know whether there is any such law in Selangor. But for argument’s sake, let’s assume that it has.

Nowhere in the law it is stated that Muslims cannot eat or attend a dinner with Christians, be it in a church compound or at the zoo or anywhere else. That is why even our Honourable Prime Minister attended a dinner with the Christian sometime ago (remember the hoo-haas about removing crucifixes and stuffs?).

If there are reasonable suspicion (I repeat, reasonable suspicion – which means not any kind of grandmother suspicion) that some groups are trying to propagate whatever religious doctrine to Muslims, then by all means please take the appropriate action. Please note, I said, appropriate action, not any grandmother action.

Now what is appropriate and what is not? Well, again, we live in a multi-cultural-faiths society. Our actions must not be one which would or could give rise to disharmony. That is all.

By all means, JAIS may investigate the allegation quietly. How to do that? Well, our special branch is one of the best in the world. Recently they even managed to sniff out a plot to wage war against the King; a plot to turn this country into a communist state; and they, according to the Deputy IGP and Home Minister also managed to avoid a riot like the London riot in Kuala Lumpur. Yes. They are that good.

So JAIS, how to investigate? Ask assistance from our special branch. They will know how to sniff this kinda thing within seconds.

When all or sufficient evidence are gathered of such activities, then JAIS can go on and exercise its powers lah. Call people for statements. Arrests the people involved. Charge them in Courts. Habis cerita kan?

Better still, to  be civilised, it would be better for JAIS, in the name of 1Malaysia, under those circumstances, to call up the church or group in question and confront them with the evidence which JAIS has collected. Let’s hear what they have to say. If there is not reasonable or acceptable explanation, JAIS can proceed to charge them.

That’s it. No drama. No raid. No inspection. Nothing at all.

Before I end this, one more point. Religion is a state matter. Selangor is governed by Pakatan Rakyat. I then presume JAIS is a state agency. The Menteri Besar apparently did not agree with the action. Question – why wasn’t he briefed on the “inspection”, knowing how sensitive this issue is?

As a political party, PAS, which is part of Pakatan Rakyat, also apparently disagree with JAIS’ inspection. But Hassan Ali, a state EXCO member, defended JAIS. The MB then imposed a blanket gag order.

May I ask bluntly, what the hell? Do you know what you are doing or not? If so, are you opposed or are you in favour of it? Which is bloody which?

If the MB doesn’t agree and one lone EXCO member is against that, what should be the natural consequence to that? My question is simple. What is the official position of the Selangor State Government about this whole episode. Never mind Hassan Ali. Never mind Tan Sri Khalid. Never mind PAS or DAP.

WHAT IS THE OFFICIAL POSITION OF THE SELANGOR STATE GOVERNMENT?

That many of us would like to know.

I would like to end this post with this verse. May we all get His wisdom and mercy.

يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ إِنَّا خَلَقْنَاكُمْ مِنْ ذَكَرٍ وَأُنْثَىٰ وَجَعَلْنَاكُمْ شُعُوبًا وَقَبَائِلَ لِتَعَارَفُوا ۚ إِنَّ أَكْرَمَكُمْ عِنْدَ اللَّهِ أَتْقَاكُمْ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ خَبِيرٌ

O you men! surely We have created you of a male and a female, and made you tribes and families that you may know each other; surely the most honorable of you with Allah is the one among you most careful (of his duty); surely Allah is Knowing, Aware. (translation : Shakir)

O mankind! Lo! We have created you male and female, and have made you nations and tribes that ye may know one another. Lo! the noblest of you, in the sight of Allah, is the best in conduct. Lo! Allah is Knower, Aware. (translation: Pickthal)

40 comments:

Anonymous said...

u see, these people are so obssesed with the religion and sooooo..ultra sensitive to everyhting tak tentu pasal..i wonder, these people ni study the Quran or not? Arent they suppose to know the book by hard? since they are the so called the uphold of islam kononnye kan? if am not mistaken..iv read and study the quran quite a bit(am muslim by the way)...but it didnt say anything about disrecpecting other religion and what not..Its all about tolerance and respect and a lot more of other wonderful things...these people are really putting Islam in a very bad light la..lepas ni apalagi la anjing2 ni nak buat to cari pasal lagi.... Geram!!

KoSong Cafe said...

Our King and Queen attended the wedding of Prince William and Kate Middleton which took place in Westminster Abbey, London. I am sure the video should be available all over the internet for those who have missed it. It was a full Christian church wedding service with prayers and hymns. Any comments?

Either Hassan Ali has been unfairly portrayed by the media or he stood out like a sore thumb in Pakatan coalition. Something drastic has to be done and gagging is certainly not a solution to the problem.

ygbenor said...

I recently attended a confirmation/baptism ceremony in a Church. Like what you did Art, i stood and listen when they sing hymns and say the sermon.I came back not a single liter of my Muslim blood want to change to another faith. As a matter of fact my faith became stronger after that. I wrote in my blog and said it out to my family how i felt.
Agreed with you, we Muslims in Malaysia are so weak so afraid of our own shadow that need to protected by this JAIS, Jakim etc.
Why cant we look at our self in the mirror and stop blaming others.

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Anonymous said...

WE are arguing the manner they barged into dinner function without warrants with police escort, they are arguing abt semantic, 'check ,not raid'.WE .. so stupid huh???

Donplaypuks® said...

If it was not a raid, why did JAIS ask the cops to tag along for?

dpp
we are all of 1 Race, the Human Race

Patrick said...

Good way of looking at this issue. But its just all hot air and steam. Nothing more than that.

1.This only happened and is happening in Selangor, which is opposition governed. So no brainer there on motive for JAIS.

2. The church is being quite forgiving in not pressing charges of trespassing on JAIS. So, its also good and helps diffuse the situation.

3. This whole circus is good in that people get to learn new terms and complicated words. Coupled with the lightning speed which the whole issue is currently spread to everybody via the internet, I would say that more people are empowered better.

4. As always, BN and its cronies and machinaries keep helping the opposition by bungling up big time. JAIS is doing its part quite well.

5. You are right in that the MB should have been more firm. As it is now, he seems like a kitten. Lets hope he better have a more solid plan that is yet to unravel.

6. This is just mere sideshow to the actual issues of the govt. But it has proven to be a good distraction. Noticed that BN will always throw in a religious or racial issue and let it take its course, while the govt continues its business as usual??? This is a standard SOP to date, so the people should get real and wise up.

All in all, you thoughts into this is quite interesting. I wonder if the malays will ever wake up from their simple mindset, despite all the empowerment that is flowing around from the internet.

Anonymous said...

'Never mind Hassan Ali. Never mind Tan Sri Khalid. Never mind PAS or DAP. WHAT IS THE OFFICIAL POSITION OF THE SELANGOR STATE GOVERNMENT?'

Art, someone DOES mind - the sultan of Selangor. He is the Muslim head of Selangor state.

Remember the past incidence? Who does he sided then?

This has to be keep in MIND!

Not until the docile Malay M'sians grow out of their feudalistic minds.

Anonymous said...

AH,

You forgot about the murtad issue.

Faith is a personal thing between man and God. If a man has 'lost faith', don't you think God is fully aware of it?

Yet the Islamic religious authorities and many Malays insist that their fellow Malays 'cannot' murtad. I guess these self-appointed 'defenders of Islam' are going to have a 'hell of a time' (pun intended) arguing on this during Judgement Day.

Do you know that if the religious authorities deemed that you have 'deviated' from your faith, you can be compelled to attend counseling sessions. You can even be charged for questioning a mufti's fatwa.

Power is about control. The many syariah laws that have quietly been legislated during the last decades is all about controlling the minds of Muslims in Malaysia. It is controlling the minds and actions of Muslims to be subservient to the authorities and not to God !!

Anonymous said...

So very right. It's always about man controlling his fellow man. Religion should be between you and your god. You don't need all these "intermediaries"

Afif said...

I find the program list very disturbing indeed, don't you think?

LAT said...

Should all other creature in this land professing other faith than Islam be deported to foreign land so the risk of Muslim being "proselytised" become nil ? JAIS, you make us Christians sound very powerful and influencial in this land though !

Anonymous said...

I was once told that the last people to enter syurga are the ulamaks ...is it true?

Anonymous said...

I do remember the whole removal of crucifixes, they tried doing that to our school (a convent). We were just secondary school students and didn't really care (or know) there should be a divide (by race and religion)..

Anonymous said...

to anon '12 August 2011 16:58'

Yes..very true AND I WAS ALSO TAUGHT THAT THE DEEPEST HELL (NERAKA PALING BAWAH/DALAM) IS RESERVED TO THOSE 'MUNAFIQ' ULAMAKS..IS IT TRUE?

Lee Wee Tak said...

when I was a cadet at school, most of the time when we attended a mass ceremony, ineitably we are asked to honour the muslim prayers.

recently at work, I too, stand and honour the muslim prayers.

To me, it is a sign of respect and honour the devotion to my fellow Malaysians. It is also a way to live and prosper in a masyarakat majmuk.

Why JAIS have no trust and confidence in the akidah of their fellow malaysians?

Jais, going by their logic should:
1) inpect Najib as he attended some 1Malaysia christmas party, visited little Indian and shock hands with the pope

2) inspect every household who watched the Olympics and world cup because when the other nations' national anthem is played over our TV, Malaysians will want to migrate.

Sampagita said...

I totally agree with ART

Why all the fuss? In the 60's we studied Bible Knowledge for our MCE/ Senior Cambridge Examinations. We stayed true to our Islamic beliefs.

My father went to Indian Wedding at the temples, Mum had pottu planted on her head, ours on our hands. He was never called a kafir. As a senior Government servant then he was well like by all.

I attended Christian Wedding of a staff who is Iban and the ceremony and hymns was in Malay.

I cant understand all these action by JAIS.

The problem with our JAIS and most muslims in Malaysia, they profess Islam-Melayu as opposed to universal Islam

Captain Obvious said...

Dear ART,

Not only JAIS is missing the point (or points), they've been lost for quite some time hahaha...

Concerning the incident, it was not so much about proselytisations, but, more to do with a few Muslims stigmatising and ghettoising Muslims, that is all.

Cheers!

Anonymous said...

YES, pm needs to be counselled by jais
for shaking hands with the pope who is a non-muslim !

Changster said...

Heck, Najib should have insisted that the Pope remove all the crucifixes and other Christian symbols from the Vatican during his visit. Why didn't he?! Hmmm, I wonder if Najib has become a Christian from his EXPOSURE to all the haram stuff in Rome ....

Yusof said...

Can't wait for your response to Ezam's antics yesterday at Shah Alam's mosque.....

Anonymous said...

The whole problem stems from the type of people being recruited into these so-called dubious organizations. They are the left overs of society, difficult to find proper jobs for lack of education, mental maturity, strength and thinking and low confidence level. No right thinking properly educated mature muslim guys will join an organization like that. In fact they ranked even below the police force and we all know what the police force personnel are made of! So much for people in authority in so beloved Homeland...

Anonymous said...

Salam,
The lame reason so-called official obligation. Are they su???ers? Am I too extreme? They should check clearly how prophet s.a.w. did to the Jews. Instead of interrogating the Jews as the kuffar, Rasul s.a.w. visited his Jew neighbour on his deathbed and ethically called him to Islam. Nowaday, total ignorance to manner but obnoxiously did the havoc then called it Islamic duty. Shame on them.

Anonymous said...

I went for makan and drink at Hard Rock, peaceful there..

Anonymous said...

Art....you are really the Man la!!! Btw...pls write something about the idiot EZam...

Tiger said...

Who to blame?

http://bkho.blogspot.com/2011/08/who-to-blame-for-state-of-our-country.html

Anonymous said...

It is horrible what happened. The problem with the Muslims today, they have lost their direction totally. It is like their brains have been totally programmed not even to know the right from the wrong. What this JAIS is beyond any credibility and reason. These muslims who attended the dinner have done far better deeds than these JAIS. What better us there than to help out AIDS victims than just wasting time jaga tepi kain orang. If thats what Allah wants to you to do, then you have not the same God that what I am praying to. Every year I give money to te poor but not through Mosques as my Zakat, because I don't trust these people anymore. They are just a bunch of sick and frustrated fools, who have nothing better to do. Do some Charity work! And stop this stupidity! No wonder the world looks down on our religion with people like this around! And I can bet you, some Muslims are reading this now and are thinking I am the fool. Crazy!

Anonymous said...

who wrote the constitution? guess it's the British! who amend the constitution- the politicians? all man-made, rite! Look, Jais derive its authority from political source, not from God

Anonymous said...

It is another game to make Selangor state government look bad and cause them to fall in the next GE.Simple mind people playing with stupid game.We know who to elect when GE comes.

Anonymous said...

The problem is when a religion is politicised - and race (in Malay's case also religion) politics becomes the warzone for greedy selfish politicians to sway people.
A faithful person is known by God; an unfaithful one is also known y God - not necessary for all tis policing so that everyone can APPEAR holy!

Anonymous said...

ThanksART,
For your effort in speaking up on the issues that has long been troubling most ordinary people in Malaysia, IT IS so sad for me to see so many rediculous race and religious conflicts popping up in the news, and i m glad to know people like u exist and ready to speak for the truth with respect and conscienc for others, instead of creating racial disharmony and hatred in society.
Those crazy scumbag r really desperate and living in fear, thats why [devide n rule] r the only option for them to feel important

currypuff said...

I'd suggest JAIS and the like migrate to other planets.The earth they are living now is too dangerous for them.How can they share the Earth with so many alien tribes and pagans.Besides, pigs and dogs are reared some more.

Anonymous said...

do whatever you want to do
in the name of greed
in the name of fear (of losing political will and power, and therefore, political patronage and largesse)
in the name of your weak faith and god (money? power? sex? all these and more?)
in the name of hypocrisy
in the name of all that is unholy and unrighteous

you come not against us but against the Living God

we speak the Scriptures of the Living God against you and your ilk
in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth we confound and frustrate your every scheme, every plan, every work, every device, every trap, every snare, every plot, every word

in the name of Jesus Christ we expose you, your plans and everything you contemplate, have put in motion, and plan to put in motion for the lies you are
AMEN

God has begun to move and will continue to move. Woe to you and your kind but the righteous will remain to take over.

Ipoh said...

Click here to compare Verse 49:13 in six English translations side by side

The Only Criterion For Distinguishing Among The People

[49:13] O people, we created you from the same male and female, and rendered you distinct peoples and tribes, that you may recognize one another. The best among you in the sight of GOD is the most righteous. GOD is Omniscient, Cognizant.

Ipoh said...

to anon '12 August 2011 18:21’
…. AND I WAS ALSO TAUGHT THAT THE DEEPEST HELL (NERAKA PALING BAWAH/DALAM) IS RESERVED TO THOSE 'MUNAFIQ' ULAMAKS..IS IT TRUE?

May I propose that you verify what you been taught by searching the Quran for the words hypocrites, religious leaders, scholars and lowest pit . – click here to search the Quran

The Quran references
[4:145] The hypocrites will be committed to the lowest pit of Hell, and you will find no one to help them.

Professional Religionists
[9:34] O you who believe, many religious leaders and preachers take the people's money illicitly, and repel from the path of GOD. Those who hoard the gold and silver, and do not spend them in the cause of GOD, promise them a painful retribution.

Kahn Arshad said...

How can I contact Art Harun?

Kahn Arshad said...

How can I contact Art Harun

Anonymous said...

art harun... your views will change after watching this video why JAIS had to do the raid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcgJbzDOdpg&feature=share

Ipoh said...

Anon 20 August 2011 14:11

The Malaysian Muslim are too obsess with "fadilat" Ayat Kursi [2:255] but unfortunately totally oblivious to GOD's STRONG COMMANDMENT in the very next verse [2:256]

[2:255] GOD: there is no other god besides Him, the Living, the Eternal. Never a moment of unawareness or slumber overtakes Him. To Him belongs everything in the heavens and everything on earth. Who could intercede with Him, except in accordance with His will? He knows their past, and their future. No one attains any knowledge, except as He wills. His dominion encompasses the heavens and the earth, and ruling them never burdens Him. He is the Most High, the Great.
No Compulsion in Religion
[2:256] There SHALL be NO compulsion in religion: the right way is now distinct from the wrong way. Anyone who denounces the devil and believes in GOD has grasped the strongest bond; one that never breaks. GOD is Hearer, Omniscient.

Click here to compare 6 translation of verse 2:256 side by side
Verse 10:99

[10:99] Had your Lord willed, all the people on earth would have believed.* Do you want to FORCE the people to become believers?
[10:100] No soul can believe except in accordance with GOD's will. For He places a curse upon those who refuse to understand

Kalau TUHAN dah tetapkan HUKUM TIADA PAKSAAN dengan terang dalam ayat 2:256 dan 10:99 dan diperjelaskan KENAPA dalam ayat 10:100, siapala kamu atau JAIS yang masih nak PAKSA-PAKSA juga???
Wow... powernya.

art harun said...

Dear Mr Arshad,

My e mail is in my profile. Just click on my profile and my e mail is there.

Have a good weekend.