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Friday, June 12, 2009

PAS Should Be Banned?

And so, it needs no further proof that political assemblies could churn out rationalities which could sit anywhere between the state of burlesque and the city of grotesque. Just look at the recently concluded PAS muktamar.

Apparently in Malaysia, no political assembly could be completed — and probably regarded as meaningful — without the usual mega important gimmick or resolution. In Malaysian politics, perhaps the two are even one and the same. Hence the unsheathing of the keris and the subsequent kissing of it during the Umno general assembly. That was the gimmick. That was to be followed by the usual we-are-the-Malays-and-we-have-our-rights-and-don’t-challenge-us-or-else-we-would-run-amok rants. That was the resolution. After that, everybody had tea and curry puffs and went home.

The PAS assembly this year will be remembered for exactly two things. And no. It won’t be remembered for some blueprint on how the Malaysian economy would be brought out from the global economic doldrums or the likes. Not for any grand plan for the promotion of Islam as a peaceful and total way of life too. Rather it will be remembered for the “unity government” debate (this I suppose, is Hadi’s equivalent to Najib’s 1 Malaysia thingy) and the call for the banning of Sisters In Islam (this I think is PAS’s answer to the unofficial banning of black T-shirts and the act of holding candles by the Home Ministry).

Apparently, what PAS had actually demanded was not the banning of SIS. PAS was asking that SIS should not be named as such because SIS is not very Islamic. The PAS Youth wing is reported by a Malaysiakini report to have said that SIS should be changed to Sisters in Malaysia if it wishes to pursue “universal rights which are subjective” and at the same time questioning Islamic principles as stated in the Quran and hadiths.

That of course begs the question whether Islam’s concept of “universal rights” are different from the “universal rights which are subjective”. And is there such a thing as universal rights which are subjective in the first place? I mean, I had always thought that universal rights are rights which are universal to every human being, regardless of creed, breed or religion. And if Islam is to be accepted as God’s answer to a good life, how could Islam’s concept of universal rights be any different from the Christian’s concept of the same?

Zulkifli Noordin of course had to join in on this issue. He is, after all — according to him — destined to defend Islam. He said SIS is not very Islamic. Its officers don’t wear the “tudung” and are unmarried. And perhaps SIS should change its name to IWK — a pun of the name of the sewerage services company, quite obviously — which according to him stands for Ikatan Wanita Kosmopolitan. Well Zul, why don’t you quit PKR and join PAS instead? And change your name to ICT, short for Irrelevant Little Twerp (I know, it does not run, but hell, just do it please).

PAS, as I understand it, stands for Parti Islam Se-Malaysia (Pan-Malaysian Islamic Party). In 1981, Datuk Abdul Hadi Awang, its current president, said this:

“My brothers, believe me. We oppose Umno not because its name is Umno, we oppose the Barisan Nasional not because its name is Barisan Nasional. We oppose them because they continue with the constitution of the colonial, continue with the regulations of the infidel, continue with the regulations of the ignorant. Because of that we struggle to fight them. Believe me brothers, our struggle is a divine struggle (jihad). Our speech is jihad, our donation is jihad and because we struggle against these groups, if we die in our fights, our death is martyrdom, our death is an Islamic death. We do not have to join the Jews, we do not have to profess Christianity, we do not have to profess Hinduism, we do not have to profess Buddhism, but we will be infidels if we say politics is a quarter and religion is a quarter.”

And now he is propounding the concept of a unity government with Umno and the BN. He even went against what Tuan Guru Nik Aziz say on that issue. To him now, it is about the people being united. It is about saving the country. Saving the country from what? And he claimed that PAS’s partners in the Pakatan Rakyat know about all these talks with the BN and Umno. PKR and DAP said they never knew about it. And yet he refused to let that issue go away.

The thing is he used to think, and preach, that Umno and the BN are the agents for the infidels. And anybody who struggles against them would die in a state of martyrdom. Now PAS, under his leadership, wants to work with these very same people. That is not very Islamic. Therefore, PAS should drop the “Islam” from its name.

Oh, one more thing. PAS had a pact with its PR partners. Now it is going against its PR partners by pursuing a unity government. That is a breach of trust. A breach of a partnership agreement too. That too is not very Islamic. In fact, it is not Islamic at all.

So please. I hope JAIS or whatever will look into this matter. I would echo Zulkifli Noordin’s call for the National Fatwa Council to have a “muzakarah” and demand an explanation from PAS about this. If PAS is found to be unIslamic, perhaps it should not use the word “Islam” in its name.

Or perhaps, PAS should be banned!


Anonymous said...

it was obvious SIS as an organisation promote some ideas which were against basic islam fundamentals. they fused more confusion in already confused malay masses.

Anonymous said...

hi, it is possible to change the background colour to dark grey or the text colour to light grey.....cos the contrast between the text and the background colour is too high to read comfortably in your blog. thank you.

Fi-sha said...

Dear Art,

I like to think I'm a liberal muslim woman but I concur with Anon 11.12 on SIS in relation to the muslimahs in Malaysia. Maybe you want to read Encik Tulang Besi's take on this matter here sir: http://www.malaysiawaves.com/2009/06/do-not-be-fooled-by-ban-sisters-in.html

Sadly, politics are games some power-hungry people play, where "the ends justify the means".

Frankly, I never pay attention to what DAHA and NMI preach about but how long we need to put up with such characters, who are acting against the spirit of the party itself?

Old Fart said...

In o9ne of those Islamophobe web sites I recall reading a long time ago that in the pursuit of the broader Islamic agenda it is quite alright to enter into agreements with infidels which you don't intend to keep in the long run. That it is quite alright to deceive the infidel. Is PAS trying to prove them right?

abROcadabRO said...


Ustaz Hadi once came to prominence with his "Amanat Hadi" edict many years back.

"Amanat Haji" carries 2 main points:

1. Umno is kafir because it work with MCA , Grakan (Cina kafir) and MIC (India kafir). Working with a kafir makes you a kafir eventhough you're a Muslim.

2. Vote for PAS three times - you're assured of a place in Syurga. Vote for Umno will assure you a place in Neraka.

And now he wants to work with Umno, a party he previously labelled as kafir.

Going by his "amanat", that would make him a kafir too.

What can we say? BTW, Ustaz Hadi Awang is first, a politician; then an Ulama.

His stance changes to suit his needs.

How can we continue voting for PAS.

Eric said...

@Anonymous 11:12, Fi-sha

why is it people like you claim to be in authority to judge whether X, Y or Z is Islamic? Even Tulang Besi's purported rebuttal to SiS' arguments is contradictory.

For instance, "SIS has issued so many statements deemed to be contradictory to Shariah" does not make sense since Shariah is, by definition, an evolutive concept understood differently across states and time (Malaysia is a good example). Far from from something written in stone once and for all.
Or "[SiS] are trying to impose western liberalism upon the Islamic laws in this country". TB is accusing without bringing in any proof. Does this sound fair to you? Isn't it the same you are doing? Is what you are doing Islamic in your eyes?

Why don't you guys simply debate with SiS as reasonable adults rather than brandish the repressive weapons? Anyway, aren't there any much more urgent fields to focus on like crumbling institutions and public buildings for instance, billions of our tax money vanishing away without a trace though they could have paid for schools and hospitals? Where are the Malay masses (how about Muslim non-Malays by the way?) that have been misled?

1 Black Malaysia. Democracy First. Elections Now.

Eric said...


if you allow me. I'll actually vote PAS even more willingly than before now.

At least, inside PAS, as shown on the subject raised by Art Harun, people agree to disagree without waving sticks. The same cannot be said of many other parties. It is a shame. Parties are meant to be discussion platforms, where people may change their mind or disagree.

I believe PAS has these outstanding decentralisation capacities whereby every state can hold their own views and others may disagree with it. Nasharuddin and Hadi are pro-"unity" talks, Tok Guru, Husam and Mat Sabu are definitely against and nobody died. The debate is still on. To me, this is democracy at work.

I may not vote for Hadi, Nasharuddin or Hassan Ali, but will definitely vote PAS if given the opportunity. Especially, on Tok Guru, Husam, Mat Sabu, Dzulkefli Ahmad or Khalid Samad's side, if you ask me, I hope you will do the same.

1 Black Malaysia. Democracy First. Elections Now.

Shamsul Yunos said...

There is a difference between what is truly a universal right and what are labeled as universal rights - done so tu promote, pursue or forward certain agendas.

For example, is the right to vote a universal right or a right that has been declared as universal by democrats?

If you believe in a God concept that is attached to the idea of reward and punishment through heaven and hell, then going to heaven, or the chance to go to heven is a probably considered a universal right and should not be violated by 'bad elements' trying to convert a person and thus result in sending them to hell.

If you believe that everything, even your perceived free choice is actually scripted or pre-ordained by God and all that matters is how to accept it in your heart then the idea of right takes on an entirely different hue.

So what are the truly universal rights?
The right to live your life the way you want to as long as it does no harm to others (already we are getting into a tricky discussion as to what constitutes harm to others)

In the case of SIS, the organisation has a record of rubbing many Muslims the wrong way. For an organisation that wants to use the name Islam, to take such strong possession of the ideas and ideals of Islam, should they conform to the same values of most Muslims within their sphere of operation and influence? Or should they just shoot off their mouth without regard to what Muslims think or feel.

It is great that they should have the freedom to express themselves but it would also be wonderful if the rights of those who they anger is also looked after.

If the concept of universal rights looks after the minority, it should look after the majority even more.

If an organisation regularly make Muslims angry (oh you can say the minority is angry or the majority is angry - it does not matter) then should they not reconsider their branding position.

Failure to do so shows a certain lack of adab and a definite shortage of wisdom.

LAT said...

How can Righteouness be a partner with Wickedness ? What harmony can there be between God and the Devil ?

Walski69 said...

Lest we forget, PAS is a POLITICAL party. It is not God's spokesparty on planet Malaysia.

Art, allow me to address some of your commenters thus far.

Fi-sha - having read Tulang Besi's post, in the first place, there is no such thing as THE Shariah. There are NUMEROUS versions of Shariah. So WHOSE version is the absolute correct one? And reading some of the comments, it's becoming painfully obvious that many are now worshiping PAS, not GOD.

Anonymous @ June12 11:12 - what is "obvious" is that you're making conclusions not based on facts, but hearsay. If seeking justice is against basic Islamic fundamentals, then I would really be curious to know what you think are Islamic fundemamentals in the first place.

Shamsol Yunos - what gives the so-called majority of Muslims the right to be insulated from any notion or idea that may be contrary to their common understanding? And what makes their common understanding right/correct in the first place? Is majoritarianism a God-ordained right? If Muslims cannot come to terms with the fact that in life there is bound to be disagreement, then it is to their own detriment. The fact that any disagreement makes Muslims angry is proof that they cannot deal with discourse; rather, more prone to knee-jerk mob mentality.

How can anyone claim to support freedom of expression (with a straight face) when these same people are so quick to want to silence those whom they don't agree with. This is 100% unadulterated, bona fide hypocrisy.

Anonymous said...

Maybe the writer haven't heard about our PROPHET have work together with the "kuffar group" to obtain power..and the power is for the benefits of the Muslims...what is wrong is appointing the Muslims to uphold the ideology of the non Muslims...what PAS is doing now is not supporting the ideology of the DAP as UMNO supporting the ideologies of the MCA and MIC...PAS only work together to obtain more majority of the oppositions in the Dewan...PAS never support the ideology of the DAP...

It is so awkward that nowadays people who did not possessed adequate knowledge about Islam trying to defend Islam without further knowlegde on SIRAH, FIQH and other branches of Islamic knowlegde...please learn more about Islam..get a real teacher instead of books and audio and videos...

May Allah spread HIS guidance upon you...

Nanda said...

Would like to echo and give resonance to Walski69's points.

art harun said...

Thank you all for your comments and insights.

When I first wrote the article, I was concsious of the fact that I would be called "ignorant" or not knowledgeable enough to speak about Islam.

I was also mindful of the fact that some of the readers would even ask me to go to hell. Such is the state of some of our intelect and I make no offer to improve that condition. Nor will I address hate mails and comments.

I don't normally partake in name calling but this time I could not resist it. For Zul Noordin, a parliamentary rep that he is, to equate SIS with IWK - albeit tongue in cheek - is too much. Hence my branding him ICT! To belittle fellow Muslims just because they don't wear tudung or unmarried reflect his nonchalant attitude towards people's private rights. As a sel professed defender of Islam, he should have known, and behaved better.

art harun said...

En Shamsul,

As usual you deserve a special reply. :) Thanks for taking the time and trouble to articulate your thoughts on universal rights.

When I speak of universal rights, I speak of the rights which every human being are born with. Right from the very second he or she breathes his or her first breath. Free from all constraints and notions of race, breed, creed or even religion. Those are the universal rights which I am talking about.

The first right as such would be the right to live. Then of course it is the right to be heard. Which carries with it the right to speak. These are universal and are not shaped or coloured by religion or whatever. They are imbued. They are natural. The right to speak and be heard of course carries with it the ability to disagree, ant to disagree in a civil manner.

The rights of majority, as opposed to minority, only come into play when we start a state, and choose democracy as a model of that state. What it simply means is that sometime minority rights are to be sacrificed for the greater good of the state (which people sometime mistake for the rights of the majority, forgetting the fact that the state consists of everybody, whether majority or minority).

But even when we speak of sacrificing some rights for the greater good of thye state, the "original" universal rights are not to be taken away, because that would reduce the dignity of the inhibitants of that states, the dignity which makes all of us what we are, human beings.

art harun said...

What is funny is this. I have stooped as low as PAS and adopt its reasoning to change SIS' name and argues that PAS should change its name too.

Don't you all think that backstabbing its partner and breaching its promises to its partner is against Islam? And how about the downright misrepresentaion that PKR and DAP knew about the unity talks? Isn't that unIslamic.

Funnily enough, nobody among my detractors had addressed that. Instead, I am asked to go to hell, madrasah,mosques and read real books.

Peace to all and have a good weekend.

Anonymous said...


SIS should emulate a certain former ceo of a multinational company who once gave a speech, a few days after 9/11, which gave food for thoughts to many none muslims in America and brought a number of them to Islam.

Her name is Carly Fiorina and the transcript of her speech is to be found at : http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/execteam/speeches/fiorina/minnesota01.html

The following is the part where she described Islam.

There was once a civilization that was the greatest in the world.

It was able to create a continental super-state that stretched from ocean to ocean, and from northern climes to tropics and deserts. Within its dominion lived hundreds of millions of people, of different creeds and ethnic origins.

One of its languages became the universal language of much of the world, the bridge between the peoples of a hundred lands. Its armies were made up of people of many nationalities, and its military protection allowed a degree of peace and prosperity that had never been known. The reach of this civilization’s commerce extended from Latin America to China, and everywhere in between.

And this civilization was driven more than anything, by invention. Its architects designed buildings that defied gravity. Its mathematicians created the algebra and algorithms that would enable the building of computers, and the creation of encryption. Its doctors examined the human body, and found new cures for disease. Its astronomers looked into the heavens, named the stars, and paved the way for space travel and exploration.

Its writers created thousands of stories. Stories of courage, romance and magic. Its poets wrote of love, when others before them were too steeped in fear to think of such things.

When other nations were afraid of ideas, this civilization thrived on them, and kept them alive. When censors threatened to wipe out knowledge from past civilizations, this civilization kept the knowledge alive, and passed it on to others.

While modern Western civilization shares many of these traits, the civilization I’m talking about was the Islamic world from the year 800 to 1600, which included the Ottoman Empire and the courts of Baghdad, Damascus and Cairo, and enlightened rulers like Suleiman the Magnificent.

Although we are often unaware of our indebtedness to this other civilization, its gifts are very much a part of our heritage. The technology industry would not exist without the contributions of Arab mathematicians. Sufi poet-philosophers like Rumi challenged our notions of self and truth. Leaders like Suleiman contributed to our notions of tolerance and civic leadership.

And perhaps we can learn a lesson from his example: It was leadership based on meritocracy, not inheritance. It was leadership that harnessed the full capabilities of a very diverse population–that included Christianity, Islamic, and Jewish traditions.

This kind of enlightened leadership — leadership that nurtured culture, sustainability, diversity and courage — led to 800 years of invention and prosperity.

Anonymous said...

I noticed that the writer here is trying to show how 'advance' his thought and perceptions toward his religion(Islam)...

"Don't you all think that backstabbing its partner and breaching its promises to its partner is against Islam?"

Logically it is against the morality of Islam...but you see in the state of battle in Islam...tricks upon the enemy is granted..for example covering the grey hair with black dye..everybody knows it Haram to covers grey with black hair dye..but it the state of battle, it is allowed...it is to cheat the opponent that we are still young with the black hair although the real hair have been covered with grey...I'm just asking you to do more research about the many branches in Islam because I found that your points did not shows that you already have enough or adequate knowledge..it is good if muslim have someone like you who is so passionate in upholding the Islam..but please be aware of certain rules and regulations in Islam..there are no such thing as "Full Universal Rights" in Islam...we are allowed to think but dont think about what have god forbid to think. we are allowed to speak and hear but do not cross the border that Allah and our prophet have limited...once we have become Muslims, we have to be aware of the rules and regulation, restriction along with other things...it is also haram to donate our body part because its not really ours..its only being borrowed to us...

James said...

Art ,
Good write, and your views respected.Well as you know those Pas guys are human too! In real life they are just bloody crooked politicians.Islam is just a screen.You see that guy Hadi thinks he is great and hell now he has forgotten what he professed ! These are modern day bull shiters no better than those umno puteras.

Singam said...

While I don't agree with what Haji Hadi is proposing to do, I do believe he is sincere. He sincerely believes that PAS is now in a position to collaborate with UMNO and, through that collaboration, weaken UMNO. If he is wrong, UMNO will once again diminish PAS into a provincial party. If he is right, PAS may go on to become the new leader in national politics.

One of the commentators has suggested that in Islam it's OK to deceive one's enemy in order to gain power. I suppose that is the rationale behind Hadi's gambit. Which means, this must also be the rationale behind their current cooperation with DAP and PKR, who are, in fact, also the enemy.

I don't claim to know Islam, but it is sad to see such duplicity being openly displayed and endorsed. Of course, it is better than UMNO's deception, but is is still a sad reflection of where we are and where we are going.

I suppose this is also the kind of reasoning that allows suicide bombers to blow up buildings full of innocent people, Muslim and non-Muslim. As I said, I have no authority to state whether this is proper in Islam, but it makes me sad.

Some years ago, I learned to understand that Islam is a great religion. I learned this through discourses with a friend from Pakistan and from reading books written by people I thought were enlightened Muslims. Before that, I only knew about the Malaysian version of Islam and had no reason to respect it.

But now it turns out, I may be wrong after all. There are twists and turns that seem to be allowed and endorsed in Islam which I cannot accept as reasonable. Maybe I have not learned enough about Islam to understand why these strange things are acceptable. But I have no desire to learn about such things which are abhorrent to my sense of natural justice.

I once read that Islam is a beautiful religion and anyone observing the lifestyle of a real Muslim will be inspired to become a Muslim. Observing Tuan Guru Nik Aziz, I might be inspired to become a Muslim. But observing people like Haji Hadi and reading the comments of some of the contributors here only makes me disgusted and afraid.

Has Allah forsaken me?


backStreetGluttons said...

Sadly , we still have self serving shameless politicians posturing as defenders of religion. We hope those forces of good can weed out this promising Malay Icon before Chinese supporters run away in droves...again

Anonymous said...

Again..thank you Singam..Islam is not a 'coward' religion that pretend to 'forgive' his enemy...thats why the suicide bombers are allowed although some muslim leaders does not allowed it...this world is more like dungeon or prison to muslim where we cant just straight away do what we want to do...working together with other group(muslim or non muslim) to defeat the same enemy is allowed as our Prophet has worked together with the non muslim to attack and conquer the Holy Mecca which is ruled by the non muslim at the time...Islam does not promote violence...we can only wage war if we are attack..we cant kill women, children and those who seek protection in the temple or other worshipping places..what the suicide bombers did was to kill the enemy but sadly there civilians got killed and injured...UMNO and PAS only has one big disagreement which is building the Islamic country...for your concern, it is compulsory to all Muslims to support the party that want to form an Islamic way of ruling...this has been made 'Fatwa' long time ago, not by the PAS leader(means that every muslims MUST support that kind of party if there is a party that want to adapt Islam in governing the country)...regardless of the poeple who ruled PAS, the real objective of PAS is still the same...UMNO is trying to create fear about Hudud to non muslims, but the truth is non muslims can choose to be jugde with hudud or the current law...

UMNO, for all these years are trying and keep avoiding the implementation of the Hudud law(which is clearly stated in Holy Quran) and many of their leaders have "cynically critised" hudud as primitif and cruel and inappropriate...

What PAS is fighting for is to implement more Islamic value in this country...I dont understand why PAS leader must "stay low" and "less criticized" the government when the current government make mistake...Most people knew that Nik Aziz are not as "direct" and 'agressive' as Hadi...as usual the mainstream media will provoke any weakpoint to confuse the public...

I'm truly dissapointed with muslims that talks about Islam as if they know Islam on the surface level...they have no idea that Islam is more than just a religion...the secular point of view keep thrusting into many muslim's mind...no matter how hard they want to separate from islam, at the end, they still have to refer to it..

For example, when we are alive, most of us will not hang out with those who studied religion, we will not hang out in mosque, surau and kuliyyah..we rather hang out at shopping mall, studios, cinemas, clubs and so on..but when we dies..our family will "SEEK HELP" from those who studied religion and those who we havent hang out with for our entire life to "take care" and "pray" for our body and soul...we are trying to 'run away' from islam while we still living and kicking...but when we died...we 'desperately' seek Islam...

art harun said...

Anonymous 23:22 (13th June) and 12:23 (14th June),

Thanks for yuor time and trouble. And thank you for your reminder. I try and I will continue to try. And as you can see, I am also learning.

We just have to join issue on several things. But I appreciate your point of view.


mei1 said...

May I ask this question, why is it haram to donate body organs? To me, human body is just a body, something you can't carry it with you at the end of life. And donating organs is a meaningful thing to do & it requires one's courage to make that decision especially if the donation happens on when you're still alive. Is this the reason why most of the organ donors are from non-Muslims?

Anonymous said...

To mei1..from the muslim point of view..our body is not 'really' ours..how can we donate something which is not ours..but nowadays there are so many confusing(even for me) opinions regarding this matter..most of the opinion allows donating organs but with strict condition or "darurah -same as the condition where muslims are allowed to eat pig to save life"...this refers to using the organs of the dead body such as kidneys, eyes, and so on..but for the organ donor who still alive after donating their organ, there are no objections but they cant sell the organ and the donor willingly sane to donate some parts of their organ such as part of the liver and so on..

But there are something which most of muslims have forgotten..our prophet forbid us to be "harsh" when dealing with dead bodies because the dead bodies still can feel the pain..i know its sounds so ridiculous but Islam is more than just a logic..we have to believe as it is part of the "iman"...so far nobody has revive from the dead to tell the story..whether they still feel the pain...but in Islam..there are stories on how a person have been revived from the dead and he said that he can still feel the pain of losing his life for hundred of years...our prophet told us to treat the dead bodies gently as the soul of the dead body still can feel the pain...but again we, the live and kicking human said it is OK to conduct post mortem..come to think of it, does the dead become alive after the post mortem? again, it is not all about logic, we still can proof the existance of our soul, where it is located...if Islam is all about logic, we can throw away our Holy Quran, we can ignore our "more than 1400 years" prophet's teaching...again, I'm sorry for my grammar...we will not know that the dead can feel the pain unless we have died and somebody conducting a post mortem on us...so, there are mixed opinion regarding using the organs of the dead...i would choose no to organ donations, i dont want poeple open my chest and my stomach while i can still experience the pain...based on logic, dead bodies wont feel any pain, but who can really be sure about it?again we have to refer to our Prophet..He said that "breaking the arms or the dead is the same as breaking the arms of the living one"...

Singam said...

Dear Anonymous 14 June 2009 23:35

You have expressed your thoughts clearly. That is most important.

I agree, not everything in religion lends itself to logical analysis. But I am convinced that God will be happy when we do something that feels right and He will not instruct man to do something which feels wrong. One can cite the case of Abraham being told to kill Isaac, but I think there is more to that incident than appears on the surface. Love of God includes being willing to sacrifice that which is precious to you. If God had instructed Abraham to kill some innocent bystander, that would have been harsh. In life, there will always be instances when we have to choose to "sacrifice" one's own for the benefit of others. This is the moral lesson.

There is no doubt that it is important for the body of a dead person to be treated with respect. Whether or not the body still feels pain, the soul that is watching will feel hurt if the body were treated harshly.

But if this is the reason for refusing organ donation, that seems wrong to me. If I requested for my organs to be donated after my passing, my soul would be pleased to watch my instructions being carried out. The question of pain does not arise and should not be mixed up. So long as the body is treated with respect, organ donation is a good thing and a final act of charity.

The Tzu Chi Buddhist Society in Taiwan have a wonderful program that I respect and admire very much. A person, with the consent of his family, donates his body to medical research. After his death, his body is taken to the Tzu Chi medical school where students get to use an actual body to learn surgery and anatomy. At all times, the body is treated with utmost respect.

After the learning session, organs that can be used are taken for transplant. Then the family is invited back and the body is given a funeral service and cremated according to Buddhist rites. This is a wonderful act of charity, more so because all parties are happy that it is being done.

While it is true that one cannot always apply logic when it comes to religion, one also needs to apply common sense when seeking to understand what is being taught. Blindly following leaders cannot be what God intended for mankind. He has given each of us a thinking mind. We have to respect and appreciate His gift and not waste it.

Peace be upon you.

Anonymous said...

To Singam...thank you for your time..I'm also having hard time explaining and researching organ donation through Islam's perspective..it it true that nowadays after having dicussions and referring to the Islam, there are views in Islam that allows muslims to donate their organ whether from the consent from the donor or the consent from their family(in case of brain death)..but its strictly not for trading and it more to charity...problems arise when organ donor feel unsecured if people that used their organs, did something bad such as stealing and killing, the donor will "share" the sin...muslim scholars said it is not true and the donor or the family dont have to worry about that...again, the real concern for me is the "great pain" which the body have to endure and so far, not many people are concern about it...or maybe my knowledge is not that "high level"...as far as i knew, the reasons to allow transplant is referring to one incident that one of the muslim soldier in the state of battle have hurt where his eyes come put from the socket and his companions have "reinsert" his eyes to the real positions...muslims scholars having difficulties determining the real consequences in organ donating as there are no 'exact' source that we can refer to as organ donating has never occured during the age of our prophet..but basically, all good things that have not been mention by our prophet are 'harus', means its okay to do it...so far, my knowledge about Islam cannot match those Muslim scholars who have reads and learn so many thing...when something like this occur, which what we call 'khilaf' or uncertainties where we cant deny the opinion of others based on their sources, both from Islamic sources..then the muslim can choose either one...it is okay to follow and it is not wrong if we dont follow...both opinion is right...it just that this group follows in regarding to this source and the other group follows regarding to the other sources..both sources are from Islam..it just that people tend to 'interpret' it in their own way, based on their belief..as long as it is good and not something cruel...muslim scholar will not stop discussing the issues on donating organ..but for now, it is allowed with strict conditions...

Singam said...

Fears about "the dead body still feeling pain" or "the sins of the organ recipient being borne by the donor" are signs of serious misinformation.

There was a time when Islam was a great civilization. That was when great strides were made in medicine among other fields. Such strides could be made only because the people were forward looking and keen to learn. That was the time when they wrote more new books than read old books. That was the time when Ulama or learned person included practitioners of medicine, architecture, philosophy and the arts.

Today, Ulama refers only to religious scholars. Others are called professionals and are not credited with the authority to define what is right or wrong in Islam. But how can a person who is only schooled in reading religious texts answer questions about newly discovered science and medicine?

If the great wisdom of Islam is not to be drowned in ritual, ignorance and superstition, Muslim scholars need to take note of this situation and act to correct the misinformation that pervades.

Anonymous wrote "I'm also having hard time explaining and researching organ donation through Islam's perspective". But not everyone has the time nor the inclination to do the research and decide what is the right thing to do. So the misinformation pervades.

This cannot be right in the eyes of God. Muslim scholars owe it to the Ummah to correct such errors of perception.

Those who wish to understand what a great civilization Islam once was should read the speech by Carly Fiorina, once CEO of Hewlett-Packard here http://www.islamfortoday.com/hewlettpackard.htm

art harun said...

Mei1, Mr Singham, Anonymous,

Thank you for engaging in a very civil manner. The whole point about this blog and to a certain extent, my article on PAS, is precisely about this, ie, the engaging of minds and opinions in a civil manner. I find it refreshing when non-Muslims and Mulims can engage and agree to disagree in a civic way. Unfortunately, this is not the norm. On Malaysian Insider, there were even people questioning my faith as a Muslim!

Anon, the whole point about your posts is to me is this. There are room for interpretations in Islam, and for that matter, in every faith. We cannot impose on one another. All we can do is to engage people who disagree with us. But we can never force them to follow what we believe. Labelling people as unIslamic and such is not the way. That was the point of my article.

On the fact that the Prophet had worked with non-Muslim for social as well as political purposes, I have no quarrel with that. In fact, in Muslim Granada, at the end of the Muslim Andalusia era, for example, Samuel ibn Nagrela, otherwise known as Nagrid, led the Muslim army. He oversaw the public works and building and imbued Granada’s fortress with Cordoban architecture. Nothing would be strange in that except for the fact that Samuel ibn Nagrela aka Nagrid was a Jew! Can we all imagine that happening now? Can we all imagine the chief of Saudi Arabian army being a Jew now? In Malaysia, we would not even dream of a Chinese being the chief of army.

So, the co-operation between PAS and DAP for example, is nothing to be alarmed about. What is alarming though is the fact that PAS deems it fit to breach its understanding with DAP and PKR. Never in the history of Islam, where Islam entered into a pact with non-Islam party, for whatever purpose, has Islam ever backstabbed its partners, regardless of the fact that its partners were non-Islam! PAS should really look into its soul on this matter.

art harun said...

On organ donation, may I just add the little that I know:

"Whosoever saves the life of one person it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind."
Holy Qur'an, chapter 5 vs. 32

"Whosoever helps another will be granted help from Allah."
Prophet Muhammed (pbuh)

Many fatwas have been issued to the effect that organ donation, from a living person or a dead person to another is permitted by Islam.

Among others, the following organisations have issued such fatwas:

* the Shariah Academy of the Organisation of Islamic
Conference (representing all Muslim countries)
* the Grand Ulema Council of Saudi Arabia.
* the Iranian Religious Authority
* the Al-Azhar Academy of Egypt

I think our Fatwa Council has issued such fatwa as well, if my memory serves me correctly.

Anonymous said...

I have no intention to force people to believe what i believed..it just that i have to state the reasons why i believed and not to believe...mei1 ask why we cant donate organ..I answered from what I have heard, learn and read..my point of view regarding this matter is the "the great pain"...when we died, we entered a new world called 'barzakh' or the afterlife...nobody can guarantee that we cant feel any pain after we have died..based on our Prophet saying that a drop of water onto a dead body equals to as cold as snow..and one hair pulling out from the dead body, lead to great pain to the dead body..I choose to believe that..my reason is..if we allowed organ donation freely..one day..we all will not have grave..because our body will be "recycled" from one to another..our body parts will continuously serving other people..from the perspective of logic..that is very noble of us...forgive me art Harun for my "conservativeness", and also forgive me for using your blog's comment to discussed with other people using other issues...

One thing for sure...If the current PAS to be banned, there will arise more than one "PAS" in this country...as the "battle" to uphold the Quran and Sunnah and Ijmak and Qias shall not be demolished...even if we loose our life..Islam is great because we follow Quran and Sunnah..there are no more "Barokah" in Malaysia nowadays..during the old days, those who steal in the mosque cant find the way out..now there are so many report people stealing from the Mosque...in the old days, those who go to Mecca to perform Hajj using "dirty money" will go crazy..in the old days, the mosques does'nt need lots of fans and air conditioners..nowadays..without the fans in the mosque..we cant stand the heat..the crime happens almost anywhere at any time..police task force have to be aware days and nights..i would not "openly" says that the current law is "not efficient"...but I would "dare" to say..there worst are yet to come if we tried to replace the Laws from ALLAH to the Laws made by human...you can escape easily if you have power and money..you can easily bribe the JPJ not to issue your ticket to court...nobody can guarantee that after we implement the Hudud Law, the crime case will decline...as same as we cant guarantee that born as Muslim means died as muslim...that the problem nowadays..we tend to use logic rather than what have been told in the Quran and Hadis...people questioned what we get if we voted for PAS other than what has happened to Kelantan under the ruling of PAS since more than 15 years...people would jugde by the tall buildings, factories, shopping complex and so on..we are not judging how many debts left by the previous UMNO kelantan that must be paid by the PAS Kelantan to the government...as compare to Terengganu, the richest state, have so many debts to the federal government..where does the 3 billion (oil royalties) money goes to?
During PAS leading Terengganu, the federal government said that Terengganu does not deserve the royalties instead of "Wang Ehsan" but nowadays, 10 billion have been "returned" to Terengganu as ROYALTIES...thats the "LAME" UMNO games..

The truth is, our party mostly depends on our parent party..if our parent are UMNO, then we will be UMNO, if our parent is PAS, we will be PAS..the tendency to choose other party are very minumum...as same as those who were born as non muslims convert to muslims...our parents are the greatest role model..they are responsible to "shape" us to Islam, Christian, Jews, and they are also responsible to lead us into PAS or UMNO...am I right?

art harun said...

Dear Anon,

It was never my intention to say that you have forced your views on others. I was lamenting the general behaviours of some Muslims nowadays. You know who I am talking about I suppose. I appreciate your views and that is what they are, views. So are mine. And wouldn't it be nice if all Muslims and non-Muslims can engage without calling names and labelling people as infidels and so on?

Thanks for your thoughts.

mei1 said...

Sorry to deviate from the original topic! Didn't expect that it'll turn up to be an interesting discussion. Anyway, thanks for sharing all the thoughts & views!

Anonymous said...

hehehe..I wish i can be less serious and not be influence by my emotions..we are all humans..human make mistakes..but the best thing is we realize our mistake..i would like to thank you for giving me chances to state my point of view..as i believe, we will not know how much have we knew unless we debate and discuss about it..writing my point of view in English is not easy to me...i wish i could write more but i think it will make our fellow from non muslim will get more confused...even for me it takes more than 15 years to understand the reasons of PAS actions towards the BN and UMNO, during that time i always opposed my parent because their views against UMNO are "immoral"..that time i only use logic and common sense..time passing by..as i went through so many thing..i found that i knew why..based on my own experiences..other people experiences..i decided that i would follow my parent voting for PAS..again, I have my own beliefs and it will take some time if i were to explain it here...PAS is a party created by human..so there are many weaknesses when dealing people with different thoughts and different background..everyone has its own way to achieve something..I will not stop supporting PAS until UMNO improved its basis to be more Islamic..not just by building beautiful most but find ways how to fill the mosque with people..not to 'bribe' supporters with money..and try to adapt the Law from the Quran and Hadis..i'm not saying all the PAS people are good..and i'm not saying all UMNO people are bad.."its a big sin if we dont claim those who have already infidels(by actions or words) as infidels"..hehehe...

Mike said...

The most unislamic political party in this country has the word Islam in its name. What an irony!

Hadi, Nasha, Hasan Ali. Mustafa and gang should be sacked from the party.

Anonymous said...

To mike...please state your reasons in what way that so called "unislamic" party are not islamic? hehehe..

Anonymous said...

Please kindly proved to me at least one thing in the PAS's constitution are against Islamic teaching...mike said the party is not Islamic...or maybe mike is referring to the "people" in the PAS that "through the eyes" of mike are not Islamic...please keep on believing the mainstream media and those who are afraid of Islam governing this country..no more concert, no more casino, no more night clubs, no more dangdut club, no more international artist touring concert, no more live female artist singing and performing..no more mixed up seat(men and woman seat are separated) no more sexy celebrities...

San said...

"Racial polarisation in the country is not caused by the country vernacular school system but more by the government political, education and economic discriminative policies." - an educationist said today.

The prime minister and all the Umno ministers will never admit that polarisation arises more out of the race-based policies and privileges one race gets over another.

Similarly, there are other areas of our daily lives where terminologies used have made us view certain practices as privileges rather than sacrifices. For instance, the bumi discount for houses.

The total sale value to the developer is still the same. It is just that the non-malay buyer is likely to be required to pay for some of the discount given to the malays.

But the longer the NEP policies continue and the greater the vehemence with which Umno politicians issue threats, terminologies will change and more people will talk about these practices or policies in words that may not sound as pleasing to the ears of the beneficiaries.

Obviously, at that point we shall probably see a new round of discriminations and disagreements. Unfortunately, as long as only weak people take on leadership roles within Umno, threats will continue, NEP policies will be sustained and corruption will prevail.

That unfortunately is the legacy we have as Malaysians.

The basic building blocks of unity, whether you are uniting different ethnic groups in a country or trying to re-engineer a corporation of differing cultural values, are the same.

The principal parties have to be treated as equals - nor special privileges no favours that would favour one group over another. Any privilege that is given should be given to all on the same basis - for example, special privilege given to the financially poor regardless of race or ethnic origin.

It is only on this equitable footing that you can foster true nationalism and build lasting unity, since each component group will have the same stake in the nation and has equal likelihood in reaping the rewards or suffering the consequences.

My recommendation to the government, not simply as a businessman but also based on pragmatism, is not to waste any more taxpayer ringgit on nationalism programmes until it has established the pre-conditions for its success.

What is sad is that, after almost five decades of independence, we have been unable in Malaysia, to bring globally vision leaders to the forefront - leaders who can see beyond racial boundaries to recognise the immense sociological and economic potential that can benefit all Malaysians.

yoy said...

Yes, which Islamic country in the world today is strong in technology, R&D, literature, etc?

The answer is a big NONE!

Drop Islam and malays would be a better race!

ruyom said...

My school in the 50s and 60s when terms like bumis and non-bumis did not exist.

Back then, there was a kind of kindred among school children then that does not exist today. We were racially different but we were all equal in every other way. Nobody was - special.

Today when a non-malay student goes to school, he has already been told over and over again by his parents that, "You will have to do superlatively in order to get into a local university."

The child comes back having done creditably well, and doesn't get the university course of his choice. But his malay classmate, with worse marks than him, gets more than he asked for.

All these double standards and retrogressive policies were put in place by our selfish politicians whose aim, rather than uplifting the malays, was to perpetually stay in power for their own good.

The end result is a new generation of Malaysians who are not united in the least.

The first thing to be done towards a real Bangsa Malaysia is to pull down all divisions that categorise us along racial and religious lines.

All, irrespective of race and religion, must be subjected to a truly merit-based system in every sphere of Malaysian life.

All political parties that exploit any form of religion should be banned.

Anonymous said...

I smell dissatisfaction here...also Islamophobia...but that is normal..everyone has it own reasons to say this and that..
"Yes, which Islamic country in the world today is strong in technology, R&D, literature, etc?"
That is because that so called "islamic country" did not practices the real teaching in Islam..as we all knew that the great era of Islam started when the Europe are still in the dark ages..because at that time, the European are being exploited by the religion...Every religion or races have its own era, as Mesopotamian, Aztec, Egyptian, Roman, Persian, China, Mongolian, Japan, British, Malays..they all have their own "time of glory"...as long as they are corrupt politician and corrupt government institution, we will never be able to achieve anything BIG SUCCESS...as Muslim countries are banned from all aspects, Banned from Independent, Banned from having Nuclear Power, Banned from Forming a Powerful Army, Banned from Unity, and also Banned from Humanitarian help..Look at what happened to Palestine..Israel is THE ONLY country in the ARAB who possessed nuclear power...the 911 tragedy have proven that it has nothing to do with Islamic terrorist..if you still believed that Muslims planned all that, then you are blind and deaf..now everybody fears about Islam..even muslims fear to Islam...cant really blame the non muslims because they didnt have much info about what Islam really are..most of the non muslims jugde islam through the muslims action..which is not the "appropriate" way to jugde Islam..the non muslims should not be worried about those who wants to practice Islam fully, but the non muslims should be worried about those muslims who did not want to practice Islamic teaching..

Malaysia BOLEH said...

If this country been rule by PAS...

100% we will be the next afghanistan

Eric said...

"If this country been rule by PAS"

last time I checked PAS had like 50 something candidates to the Dewan Rakyat. Only 23 (24 if you included KT now) of them made it to Parlimen. How does that make the country being ruled by PAS in the foreseeable future? There are 222 MPs in the Dewan Rakyat currently and a 2/3 majority is required to change the constitution.

Perhaps Malaysia BOLEH and we should be worried about existing issues (Perak coup, corruption, deaths in custody, despotic laws, etc.) or even likely (culprits not being caught, more coups on legitimate state governments, more degradation in the economy and the public service), rather than worry about fanciful tales?

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