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Tuesday, October 27, 2009

Is this right?

As all of us would have experienced nowadays, in this beloved and blessed nation of ours, there are 3 types of news.

Firstly, there are news which make us laugh. These are news the comedic value of which might be slightly higher than 5 episodes of Blackadder put together. This genre is represented by the recent news about some bright spark in some education department coming up with the 1 Toilet program.

Secondly, there are news which make you cry. Like the news today about a 3-week old suspension bridge come a-crashing leaving one student dead and 2 others missing. This is sad because in this day and age - where we have the tallest twin tower in the world; we have sent a man to space; we have a F1 team etcetera - we can't even build a proper bridge for students to cross safely. A life is gone and 2 more lives are potentially in peril.

Thirdly, there are news which take the cake. These are news which make you unsure on whether to laugh or to cry. Or both. An example of this category of news is a NST report today. Among others, it says:

"THE state (Kelantan) government will continue to pay a RM10,000 incentive to Muslim preachers or missionaries who are willing to marry Orang Asli women to prevent them from leaving the religion.

State Islamic Development, Education and Dakwah Committee chairman Datuk Nik Mohd Amar Nik Abdullah said efforts had to be made to ensure that the Orang Asli people would not be easily influenced by missionaries of other faiths.
"We were told that certain Orang Asli settlements in the rural areas had been visited by non-Islamic missionaries and they had been spreading their faith to these people," Nik Mohd told the state assembly yesterday."

Is this the way to spread Islam? Is this the way to ensure that some orang asli women do not convert to other faith? By paying Muslim men to marry them? And what would happen after the marriage? What if the men take the money, marry them and then leave them?

What if the women do not want to get married? Or what if the women want to convert to other faith? Cane them? What?

Is this what God wants? Is this how God asks us all, as Muslims, to spread Islam? By getting payment so that we could marry the women and ensure that the women do not leave Islam? So, if I marry 4 orang asli women I could get RM40000.00 is it?

I thought God asks men to marry women out of love. And so that both the men and women could live happily and in peace. Not because of any other reason, like to force the women to remain a Muslim.

God s.w.t. says;

وَمِنْ آيَاتِهِ أَنْ خَلَقَ لَكُم مِّنْ أَنفُسِكُمْ أَزْوَاجًا لِّتَسْكُنُوا إِلَيْهَا وَجَعَلَ بَيْنَكُم مَّوَدَّةً وَرَحْمَةً إِنَّ فِي ذَلِكَ لَآيَاتٍ لِّقَوْمٍ يَتَفَكَّرُونَ                                

[Yusufali 30:21] "And among His Signs is this, that He created for you mates from among yourselves, that ye may dwell in tranquillity with them, and He has put love and mercy between your (hearts): verily in that are Signs for those who reflect."

And God s.w.t.  wishes that the men treat their wife with respect and kindness;

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ لاَ يَحِلُّ لَكُمْ أَن تَرِثُواْ النِّسَاء كَرْهًا وَلاَ تَعْضُلُوهُنَّ لِتَذْهَبُواْ بِبَعْضِ مَا آتَيْتُمُوهُنَّ إِلاَّ أَن يَأْتِينَ بِفَاحِشَةٍ مُّبَيِّنَةٍ وَعَاشِرُوهُنَّ بِالْمَعْرُوفِ فَإِن كَرِهْتُمُوهُنَّ فَعَسَى أَن تَكْرَهُواْ شَيْئًا وَيَجْعَلَ اللّهُ فِيهِ خَيْرًا كَثِيرا

[Yusufali 4:19] "O ye who believe! Ye are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should ye treat them with harshness, that ye may Take away part of the dower ye have given them,-except where they have been guilty of open lewdness; on the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and Allah brings about through it a great deal of good."

The Prophet - peace be upon him - said, among others,  in his last sermon;

"Do treat your women well and be kind to them for they are your partners and committed helpers."

What respect and kindness, may I ask, do we have to the women whom we marry if we are actually paid incentives to marry them? And the real reason for us to marry them is not love but just to ensure that they do not leave the religion?

Instead of doing this, why don't the people who are so keen to spread Islam to the orang asli get out from their air-conditioned room and get to the ground and live with them for a while?  Show them the Islam way of life. Show them the kindness of Islam. Show them the "ad-deen." And persuade them with their actions and words to embrace Islam and remain a Muslim voluntarily, out of their love for God and not out of a marriage which is induced by monetary incentives!

If these orang asli women have no faith in Islam, it matters not whether they are married to a Muslim or otherwise. Deep down in their heart, they might not have the faith anyway.

Why are we so concerned with the externals when it is the internals which matter in the eyes of God?

This is just my opinion. Only God knows best.


Richard Cranium said...

Islam, in Malaysia, is generally institutionalized i.e. politics color the "faith" of the religious authorities. The form replaces the function.

Exactly the same thing happened in so-called "christian" western Europe. Germany, for one, is where the Christian function is "dead".

If you want to make the religion "alive" again, you'll need to separate state from religion. This, in Malaysia, is too much a political cost.

samsaimon said...

Sent YB Zulkefli Nordin to stay with them and lead them the Islam way, after all, he is one of them.

Dense said...

Forget what the Koran has to say... Muslims only quote it when it supports their case ... at other times they do as you please

Islam is a religion of convenience and Malaysian Muslims use it only when its convenient. Thus they are chronic hypocrites and the most barbarically, revoltingly, stupid people one could imagine.

In a recent article RPK tried to use logic to argue against the perfection that is supposed to be Islam. But the beliefs of Muslims are so irrational that no amount of rational argument will sway them

donplaypuks® said...

They still can't guarantee clean piped drinking water to homes, but are more worried about a minority group straying from the 1 true faith?

God is surely waiting somewhere with a big stick!

We are all of 1 race, the Human Race

Antares said...

I hereby offer my selfless service for a noble cause. I'll marry ALL Orang Asli women in the world and prevent them from getting whacked by drunken husbands and fake Muslims.

WP said...

Hi, I got here from MarinaM's blog, and I must say that I agree with you...besides, what is so wrong with other faiths? It is impossible after all to force a faith onto someone...if they don't have that faith they can only pretend they do.

Anonymous said...

marry women out of sex ! they come from our ribs so we own them, every part !.

lil ms d said...

Art it's me Lil Ms D. I hear you. My family and friends now 'approve' my dating non-Muslim men because there is a possibility that they may... convert.

Whatever happened to love?

lil ms d said...

ps. you're not supposed to marry for love in malaysia. it's either a woman's beauty ugama or harta lah encik art!

Fi-sha said...

Dear Art

Wheres the laugh? I feel like crying reading the kind of rubbish being 'dished out'in our MSM.

Wheres the love? How could we quantify matrimony and religion to a meagre RM10K? Art, please pass me a box of kleenex.

It is really sad to see such 'medieval' tactics being (ab)used to blind our senses in internet-age world. Hmm, no wonder our internet coverage is so damn (ops) slow so that most people would have to rely on our MSM on what's-going-on.

This is a cruel imitation of Pavlov experiment - 'bombard' the people with certain 'ridiculuos issues' to get their 'feeble' minds occupied, which in return would 'hide' the real, bigger problems this Ibu Pertiwi is facing, in particularly blatant corruption and human rights abuse, from being addressed.

Thanks Art, i had my cardio-stress exercise reading this piece of reality.

Tpg2Sg said...

My Japanese friend told me that the younger generation of Japanese will go thru this 3 stage of life;

When they are born,their parent will bring the baby to Shinto Shrine for blessing.

When they married, they have Church wedding ceremory.

Wen they die, they will be buried with Buddhist ceremory.

All type of God is great!


PM said...

If I divorce them and remarry 4, will I get another 40K. How nice having all the fun of screwing and getting paid.

Anonymous said...

The whole thing is so patronising to the Orang Asli women (and btw why no men? Could it be no way my precious Malay Muslim daughters be married off to some jungle dwellers and be divorced by him over and over again to get the 10k?)Why can't they just let Malaysians choose their own religion as in the Constitution?

azam said...

Not sure this is a right move but being married would be better rather than flirting.

Chicken Feet aka KaKiaYam said...

azam, so which part you are unsure of?

"..being married is better than flirting.."

typical mentality of the layman, but what has this got to do with the issue discussed?

every muslim man or even woman will use this excuse again and again, whenever the issue of polygamy appears and is challenge by non-muslims. Can you guys explain in a better way?


Anonymous said...

You guys just dont get it.

Those missionary visit the orang asli merely for humanitarian purposes.

After 50++ years of Independence the orang asli still have no proper education... Why?

Thanks to the "special race". wanna protect their "special privilege" instead of sharing with the orang asli....

And when the "pendatang" helped the orang asli... the "special race" freak-out. Bumiputra that is not synonym with Muslim is a taboo... zzz

Imagine what will happen when Bumiputra = Buddhist, christian, Hindu and not solely Muslim. 1Malaysia or threat to the "special race"?

Go figure.

Anonymous said...

What we c on "is this true" from "Art" is only tip of ICE BERG.
I am non Muslim. But i respect ALL.
There are so many try to push ppl to the wall of Religion so to get some conf $(carrot). This is encouraged by this COUNTRY.
Who offer the carrot?
Where the fund for the carrot come from? TAX PAYER or ZAKAT.
NO one want to change it...
even the Oposition HEADs...
He will be "$%%^^@#"
So many cases like converts conflicts kids/dead body for burial/my card/...

We are just 1 Human passing by...
We are very far to c 1M'sia.

cyclopseven said...
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cyclopseven said...

'Kerana setitik nila, rosak susu sebelanga' .....so he gives wrong impression about Islam to the others. Religion is not mere faith but rationality as well.

Are we to assume that Orang Asli is not able to make any decision on the choice of religion for themselves? Everything to be dictated by our so-called religious people? Common guys,it is time to embrace the reality of globalisation and learn to live life as it is suppose to be. Let them live with their faith. There is nothing wrong with their original faith. If one is honest, help and develop them by providing opportunities for education and better standard of living. The rest they will decide. Religion shouldn't be used to compete with one another. They can be helped without having to convert them. This applies to people of all religions. If they voluntarily come forward and make decision to embrace a particular religion let it be their choice, but to use their women to safeguard religious interest, I deem, is a crime against Orang Asli.

Ida Bakar said...

What if I fell in love and marry an Orang Asli and convert to the belief of the Orang Asli. Surely, my union is more genuine and my communion is more assured. But no, the chauvinistic Islam practised in Malaysia will have me hauled before the Sharia court, invalidate my marriage (well, I can't even register it) and put in some sort lokap to 'reform my aqidah'. So much for 1Malaysia.

Asyraf said...

Salaam to all.
It really pain me when reading the comment that people accused religion which is the main cause of this, while the fact is the people who practising it is to be blame. Some of this people really is a muslim by mere utterance of lips only, not by faith and reason. I hope the list of example of Islam through Quran alone here will distinguish the true muslim and the hypocrite and people commenting here can judge by themself which is to be blame here.

Islam based on Quran alone, the best example:

No compulsion, freedom of belief:

[2:256] There shall be no compulsion in religion: the right way is now distinct from the wrong way. Anyone who denounces the devil and believes in GOD has grasped the strongest bond; one that never breaks. GOD is Hearer, Omniscient.

The Quran advocates defending oppressed people:

[4:75] Why should you not fight in the cause of GOD when weak men, women, and children are imploring: "Our Lord, deliver us from this community whose people are oppressive, and be You our Lord and Master."


[4:148] GOD does not like the utterance of bad language, unless one is treated with gross injustice. GOD is Hearer, Knower.

The example of Abel responding to his brother Cain:

[5:28] "If you extend your hand to kill me, I am not extending my hand to kill you. For I reverence GOD, Lord of the universe.

The price of life in Islam:

[5:32] Because of this, we decreed for the Children of Israel that anyone who murders any person who had not committed murder or horrendous crimes, it shall be as if he murdered all the people. And anyone who spares a life, it shall be as if he spared the lives of all the people. Our messengers went to them with clear proofs and revelations, but most of them, after all this, are still transgressing.

Essence of the message: believe and lead a righteous life.

[5:93] Those who believe and lead a righteous life bear no guilt by eating any food, so long as they observe the commandments, believe and lead a righteous life, then maintain their piety and faith, and continue to observe piety and righteousness. GOD loves the righteous.

God is One:

[6:19] Say, "Whose testimony is the greatest?" Say, "GOD's. He is the witness between me and you that this Quran* has been inspired to me, to preach it to you and whomever it reaches. Indeed, you bear witness that there are other gods beside GOD." Say, "I do not testify as you do; there is only one god, and I disown your idolatry."

Appreciative versus unappreciative:

[14:7] Your Lord has decreed: "The more you thank Me, the more I give you." But if you turn unappreciative, then My retribution is severe.

The message of Islam is not violent:

[16:125] You shall invite to the path of your Lord with wisdom and kind enlightenment and debate with them in the best possible manner. Your Lord knows best who has strayed from His path, and He knows best who are the guided ones.

Mariage in Islam, love and care towards the spouse:

[30:21] Among His proofs is that He created for you spouses from among yourselves, in order to have tranquility and contentment with each other, and He placed in your hearts love and care towards your spouses. In this, there are sufficient proofs for people who think.

Words of wisdom:

[41:34] Not equal is the good response and the bad response. You shall resort to the nicest possible response. Thus, the one who used to be your enemy, may become your best friend.

[42:43] Resorting to patience and forgiveness reflects a true strength of character.

[49:11] O you who believe, no people shall ridicule other people, for they may be better than they. Nor shall any women ridicule other women, for they may be better than they. Nor shall you mock one another, or make fun of your names. Evil indeed is the reversion to wickedness after attaining faith. Anyone who does not repent after this, these are the transgressors.

#All translation is by Rashad Khalifa

Desmond said...

There is another hanging bridge waiting to collapse but no one wants to listen....



Anonymous said...

Dear Asyraf, You said:
"It really pain me when reading the comment that people accused religion which is the main cause of this, while the fact is the people who practising it is to be blame. Some of this people really is a muslim by mere utterance of lips only, not by faith and reason. "

Good... Good...I totally agree with you. But ... You are no much different from them.

Everyone here can throw their own religion/holy-book and glorify it ... just to show how great/compassion is their religion?

I you wanna compare. I can tell you Buddism is the greatest and easiest religion of all. 5 pantang larang kena ikut sahaja : NO Sex, No Meat, No killing, No Alcohol and NO Drug.

Yet, I can tell you 99.9 % buddhist follower unable (due to temptation) to follow those 5 pantang.

However, can you see the different here? Do you see buddhist glorify their religion in front of other believer?

Dear asyraf,
Action speaks louder than words. If (majority)muslim can't follow the holy-book, don't promote your religion because other believer will look at you not the holy-book.

Just ask yourself, who are the strongest, wealthiest and prosperest country in the world?

I always believe that muslim are very lucky. Think, my friend - most muslim country are gifted with "black gold" yet they are poor like hell. Why?

Islam are not terrorist, we said. Yet, in university there's so many Osama sticker on the graduate student handphone sticker during 911.

Islam are compassion and tolerence, we said. Yet, we ban alcohol. Since when alcohol is halal item? Or since when non-halal item can consume by muslim?

disappointed orang asli said...

wah..if can i want to marry four of the orang asli women..then can get RM40k,..then do the same thing every month..sigh...this is utterly bullshit

Anonymous said...

There are always people trying to 'help' God. There idea of God is so narrow. If these people were to really listen to what God is saying, it whould have been,'please help yourselves, try to be a godly person yourselves before trying to help other. Otherwise those people you helped will become hypocrites like you.

azam said...

Hi Chicken,

I'm not sure about the RMxxxx given is the best options but my stand on being married is better than flirting.

Trust that clarifies your Miss - Under - Standing..adios

Anonymous said...

Assalam walakum,

This blog is a very nice blog, I have found it very beneficial to know more about Islam. Thanks for sharing the information.

cherasusie said...

non malays are constantly being looked at as islam haters in malaysia.

malays generally feel they own the religion

a cameraman prevented to enter the mosque to do a job covering mat-top by malay policeman because he was not a malay.... how would he know a non malay is not a muslim? why mat-top, a notorious killer could enter a mosque with admirers praying for him and why not a decent non muslim?

you can take the 10k but make sure the orang asli girl is quarantine for a year without consuming unislamic food before she is sent to the altar...ops i mean bed.


samaritan said...

The precedent of quality against quantity.
(Genesis 7:1,4) After that Jehovah said to Noah: “Go, you and all your household, into the ark, because you are the one I have seen to be righteous before me among this generation. For in just seven days more I am making it rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and I will wipe every existing thing that I have made off the surface of the ground.”
According to the bible there are only eight people [his wife, three sons and three daughters] in-laws are safe during the great flood in Noah time. With these should bring us back to our senses

Anonymous said...

Dear samaritan,

"According to the bible there are only eight people [his wife, three sons and three daughters]"

If it's true... does that means we all are brother/sisters?...which is good.

But on the other hand, does it means god allow incest for human race to thrife?

Think again,

samaritan said...

Please read the account if you are able to grasp the message trying to put accross and if you don't feel free to ask more question.

Genesis 9:1- And God went on to bless Noah and his sons and to say to them: “Be fruitful and become many and fill the earth.

The faith and steadfastness of Noah produced benefits that are felt even to this day. Noah was approaching 600 years of age when he built the ark, gathered the animals, and preached to his neighbors. (Genesis 7:6; 2 Peter 2:5) Because of his godly fear, Noah, along with his family, survived the great Flood and became the ancestor of all people living on earth today. True, Noah lived when life spans in general were longer. Yet, even in his most advanced years, Noah remained faithful, and that resulted in significant blessings. How so?
Noah was nearly 800 years old when Nimrod began engineering the Tower of Babel in defiance of Jehovah’s command to “fill the earth.” (Genesis 9:1; 11:1-9)
Noah, however, had no part in Nimrod’s rebellion. Thus, it is probable that his language was not changed when the rebels had their language confused. Noah’s faith and steadfastness, seen not only in his old age but also throughout his long life, are truly worthy of imitation by God’s servants of all ages.—Hebrews 11:7.

Anonymous said...

Letih lah Pak Ngah...

Inilah dia tak pakai otak...Kalau cakap camtu orang marah....... Ada ke kahwin pasal duit.....

Benda camni yang buat buruk Islam kat kaca mata bukan Islam... sebelum tulis fikirkanlah akibat dan musibah daripada penulisan....

Letih letih....

Keturunan Jebat

Safaju said...

My reaction? Speechless....what is wrong with these people nowadays?

V Q said...

I'm flabbergasted, disgusted at the very idea of paying a man (in this case, muslim man) to marry an Orang Asli woman in order to propagate a religion (in this case, Islam). Has religion become so trivial and cheap that it can be bought and sold????? My sympathy goes out to the Orang Asli people....Have the Orang Asli people lost their ability and their basic rights to choose their religion and to marry for love, instead of a means of surviving in this modern world?? The Orang Aslis are a people...a race...humans...as much as you and I...and therefore, deserve what every other non-Orang Asli deserve - dignity and respect. It is so sad to think that some people could abuse religion (in this case, Islam) and use it for monetary gain and may be personal satisfaction in the name of religious preservation. What a shame!!!

Anonymous said...

i am one of the people of "other faith" who visit the Orang Asli (OA) regularly.

Not because i want to 'convert' them but because of education.

A few years ago, a friend found out that there are some OA children who do not go to school as they live in the jungles and need a 2 hour trek to nearest village school. After investigation, he and his friends managed to persuade the OA parents to let them send the kids to school. The OA adults work occassionally as odd job daily waged workers and promptly spend the money on cigarettes and booze. So if some one take on their kids fr free should be good right? Someone pays for the wooden house rent. They got some ibus to stay and cook for the kids.
Anyway, i was introduced to this three years ago when there were about 20 kids at the hostel and since then have been raising funds to support their education.
There are now 48 kids from 10 hill villages. We take care of all food, home and school needs. Monthly budget is about RM3000. They have medical checkups, nutritious diet and healthy habits.

So why don't the authorities go take care of these people - give REAL practical aid - instead of giving incentives to marry the women?

Anonymous said...

Umh. I felt something rushing through my veins reading this art-icle.

I agree with ur statements and some of the dalil u gave on the rights of women. People need to be remarginalzd by 'those' statements of yours.

I mean, why, for the sake of God, buying love with some money. There is no ikhlas in such relationship.

I believe Islam is a good religion. The one that told us to be nicer, compassionate and etc2 good things.

We cannot justify the religion by its embracers. That's unfair. That'
s what the Islamophobes did.

p/s = I'll be rich in no time if they're truly reliable for their promises.